I look forward to returning to this thread in 8 months to see how he responds.

I did some Factorio over the weekend. Reached the point of Construction bot delay, where I had to do blue science first, so I could then rush advanced oil, to get construction bots.

I realized just how… bad , dumb , pointless , whatever the new blue science recipe is. I used to be against the oil ...

https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=1848#p1848
https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48047
[Koub] btw : this is not an Oxygen not included forum, si I suggest the ONI discussion stops here.

I was discussing the Oil Changes, and how in [game that cannot be mentioned] that it ...

As such, I consider the topic closed for now, but that does not mean I am hoping people would forget. Calm down, maybe, in some cases, but I will definitely be observing and inspecting what exact effects will the changes have in the future, in case something got overlooked.
It’s possible we will ...

Declaring 0.17 stable after sneaking the oil changes in. ... A questionable move, but outstanding.

https://abload.de/img/outstanding1ukah.jpg

I like calling it the "Construction Bot delay" change instead. And agreed, made the game just a little bit more un-fun just in time for stable.

*whew ...

Quick reminder about newcomers :

“Is this change to reduce complexity, refactor the tech tree, or rebalance the oil production recipes.”
It’s pretty much the first two, in the sense that it should improve the flow or the game (though the technology changes), while making the basic oil ...

Thats what we wanted

I am sure that is not what you meant to say. It appears to imply that the goal of the change was to lure players later in the game before giving up.


As far as I remember, devs have been pretty consistent since FFF 304 saying that they wanted to delay the 3 ...

only the problem is delayed.


Thats what we wanted

I am sure that is not what you meant to say. It appears to imply that the goal of the change was to lure players later in the game before giving up.


As far as I remember, devs have been pretty consistent since FFF 304 saying that they ...

I think all this talk has taken us away from what really matters, so I'm here to refresh it.

I don't care about dumbing down oil, or dumb-delaying it, because Advanced Oil is the same.

I care that they keep saying "there's options now". No, there are no options.

I used to be able to focus ...

No one here has talked about the logistical cost saved when you have a PG-only refinery. So what if it produces 10 less? Now I don't have to deal with the 60 non-PG oils, its storing, conversion, transport, and powering all of that play the game to do so. You guys that don't see the other side of ...

I have also uninstalled the game after more than 2500 hours and playing almost every day. The shot has been that my 11-year-old daughter has literally told me: "Now that is super easy," and now prefers to play the "Oxygen not included."

A pity that has stopped listening to the players that we ...

I have also uninstalled the game after more than 2500 hours and playing almost every day. The shot has been that my 11-year-old daughter has literally told me: "Now that is super easy," and now prefers to play the "Oxygen not included."

A pity that has stopped listening to the players that we ...

I think the progression is less linear now, before it was essentially mandatory to sprint for advanced oil processing,
Now the player is free to keep the basic production running, while they explore the other technologies and features on offer.


I don't want to pile on to the "Devs don't know ...

As much as I like the idea of early ground based bots, I shudder to think of the pathfinding calculations that would result.


I have thought about it, but their use would mainly be to get through the end of green science, until blue science. Usually base sizes are reasonable at that moment of ...

2) Make con bots not need lubricant somehow
3) Make Petroleum=>Solid Fuel far more efficient (I hate to suggest this, as it pretty much makes light oil worthless, but I dislike not having Heavy/Light oil to turn into fuel more so I think it'd go good with the .17.60 changes)


Hmm, I already ...

jodokus31 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:17 pm

crambaza wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:45 pm

Excellent idea

Thanks. I can't take all the credit though, it took a lot of community input to arrive at a perfect solution.

While reading posts, I keep coming across people referring to "useless solid fuel".

I am perplexed.

My Normal progression, before 0.17.60 "fixed" oil was:

Build Oil
Put Construction Bots online ( batteries, frames, lubricant, et al.)
Put Solid fuel into mass production (light and excess heavy (I ...

I have devised a new Oil method that is better than all the rest, except for the ones it's not better than.

Change the Refinery to only 1 output, get rid of all the multiple output stuff.

Change the name of "Basic Oil Processing" to "Initial Oil Processing".

Change the recipe to:
IN: Crude AND ...

I had to set up Blue Science by hand because I had no construction bots, because some new player somewhere who doesn't have the game yet would have had trouble with oil.

I hated it.

But how will the player manage a blocked output of sludge barrels before Advanced oil processing ? (apart from shooting a chest full of barrels)

Exactly that way.

Same thing I did when I was new, but with my seemingly unlimited supply of starting guns.

Or, they can see that the sludge is ...