35 EUR is what I spend when I decide to go see a movie. Full of illusion because of the reviews I have read. For two hours of fun that later came to nothing.
On Steam I have almost 6,000 hours played on Factorio, almost 3,000 movies, and I have enjoyed every single one of them.
The price seems ...

5thHorseman wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:27 pm[Removed by Koub because referring to a now-moderated post

[Moderated by Koub] no insults please.

I have enough gray hair and I am far above nonsense like that.

Maybe it's me who is misunderstanding you.

Sure, but you are not talking about the new players that is what it is done for. A new player after many hours still does not find challenges until the AO, it will take more than 15 hours of boring game and you will find what is avoided that you are 5 hours before, it is absurd ...

Can any of us really remember what we felt about oil setup the very first time. Can we then understand how we had reacted if the new system had been the first oil setup we did?
I. doubt. that.


This is why I'm in the "don't care" camp. My first oil set up was 3 years and 1700 hours ago. I don ...

To answer to some of your arguments:

A player likely might look at the tech tree, firstly by seeing some yet to researchable techs in the actual tree or the list. Secondly by wondering how to get those cool looking bots (to know about them beforehand by youtube or some other means ...

A player accustomed to playing games like the ones mentioned will now find that yes, there is a new material, oil, to see what I do with it. But you don't have to do anything you haven't done so far!

I replace the ore extractor with the pumpjack, replace the conveyor belt with a pipe, and the ...

The problem is that what you call oil processing is nothing more than a graphics change, it's like a simple "iron processor". There is a simple extractor (pumpjack) that reaches a "assembler" through a pipe where a simple product comes out.


But that's the point. The product now comes ...

The problem is that what you call oil processing is nothing more than a graphics change, it's like a simple "iron processor". There is a simple extractor (pumpjack) that reaches a "assembler" through a pipe where a simple product comes out.


But that's the point. The product now comes through ...

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Neither of those is particularly smooth, but I think we can agree the second is way harsher.


Actually it's funny, I was tempted to make such a graph to illustrate the exact opposite, but was defeated by my ...

The "there are too many things on petroleum gas" point is really dangerous to change - if for example we would put sulfur into heavy oil, it could very easily happen that your refinery would deadlock because you only want to produce batteries/acid, say for mining uranium and laser turrets ...

I have also uninstalled the game after more than 2500 hours and playing almost every day. The shot has been that my 11-year-old daughter has literally told me: "Now that is super easy," and now prefers to play the "Oxygen not included."

A pity that has stopped listening to the players that we ...

my 11-year-old daughter has literally told me: "Now that is super easy," and now prefers to play the "Oxygen not included."

Not so much "smoothing out the difficulty curve" as flatlining it.


My daughter doesn't understand aligning, she understands game sensations, and me too. If at the ...

I have also uninstalled the game after more than 2500 hours and playing almost every day. The shot has been that my 11-year-old daughter has literally told me: "Now that is super easy," and now prefers to play the "Oxygen not included."

A pity that has stopped listening to the players that we have ...

Except the target audience for this change isn't even playing on the experimental branch , they're playing on the stable branch. The people whose feedback is needed for this won't get this until it's been declared stable and extremely unlikely to change again.



So please explain into which ...

I had a strong feeling it was going to be done because the devs were dead set on the fact it had to be changed regardless of any logical reasoning to counter it. A change for the sake of change.

I'm also not surprised that feedback was dismissed either, given that V seemed to be the only one who ...

Disappointed. Factorio was something else. There were challenges and we had to find solutions.

The developers listened to the community to improve the game, make real challenges already balanced.

But money can do everything, you have to attract new players and fill the pocket that is emptying ...

What is clear is that the devs are reading us and thinking what to do, the release that should have come out on Monday has not yet done so.

Simplifying the game to make it easier for other people to play it seems like a joke, if what we want is even more difficult, the introduction of more liquids (gasoline, diesel), or more minerals, or more recipes, or more ...


If many new players are attracted to the game because of version 1 ...

The problem of the designers is that they must not have realized that many, but many many players do it precisely because of their difficulty and the time that must be invested to solve the problems that the game proposes.

Simplifying the game to make it easier for other people to play it seems ...

I play Factorio because it makes me squeeze my head, it makes me think, it forces me to organize myself ... if we are going to remove that, it is better to warn already. Tell us that from now on it will be easier for the newbies not to have to think so much ... and I get off this train.