Everything is fine now. Thanks.

I have a technical issue with the forum and the web site.
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My core IP is 185.23.230.x. The ...

As you screenshot demonstrate you will have a additional cost of replacing the gun turrets with yellow ammo.

Yes, but the conclusion about total cost is the same.

An average attack for that test case had about 150 blue spitters, 120 blue biters, 75 green spitters, 90 green biters. This is 457k ...

Qon wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:59 pm You are forced to use that many turrets because you use yellow ammo.

I'm not forced. It was a half-assed example for the sake of an argument "DPS isn't an issue".
My usual perimeter is (I think) a typical DW double turret row with flamers.

Same thing with belts : 3 yellow belts are WAY cheaper than 3 blue belts, but have the same added throughput.

I'm expecting the same kind of trade offs with ammo.


I feel like that should be the tradeoff, no?


There's no tradeoff, because DPS isn't an issue.
How many turrets can hit one ...

I can't figure out the way you calculated your stuff. I did a sanity check, and things don't seem to match.
So if your calculations are based on turrets, 1st column of yellow magazine, the cost to kill should reach its minimal value at the 4th upgrade (and 7th if you're calculating with handled ...

I want to add 2c on defence economics. Hopefully, it might be useful for the expansion.

tl;dr Now Yellow-Red-Green ammo deal 5-8-24 damage. I believe, altering them to 4-10-28 would be better for game balance.

I believe that damage economics is important, especially for combat oriented plays (DW ...