But I tried to optimize my build. I know that the red on the modules means stop. Because I got your number. But I wondered what the white is supposed to mean.

This is a walking corpse and a person can't get a number on it. Dracula's loaded so if you don't play with the dragon someone else will ...

If you care about i/i, use only 300% cycles and go lossless. I checked this approach for legendary science to try to decrease i/s input rates, and didn't like it very much, blue chips doesn't generate enough iron, or alternatively LDS generates too much copper, I ended up with tons of excesses. For ...

Calling me crazy is one thing because I know I am. I've been playing 800 hours on a mod where a linear solver like Foreman will flat out lie to you and get you to piss away 4 gigawatts power on 5 steel. As far as my English, that isn't an issue on a forum with people from all over. So I thought I ...

I have a day job.

I didn't let up on speed 3 modules.

Recyclers where unevenly stacking. In Nullius I touched grass.

Going at the appropriate rate with a sledgehammer let me build a leaf 40 big to place on a 60 ips rate.

I'mma be honest coffee, your posts are getting more and more deranged ...

From a research standpoint I can't lose.

It is also true that I have an expanding pouch of hammers and there are oh so many nails with which to test them on. Out of curiosity, can anyone see why going ( gears:iron) on a forge is a situation where haste is seductive when making legendary iron? And ...

So you know what I was saying about how scaling can take your fingers off?

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Productivity brute force is a trap. Quality brute force is actually a trap that's just as bad. Your power footprint is going to grow so big that horizontal scaling is going to be rough. If the yellow lights mean ...

I do believe that is a cluster of five 4 tiles, so a speed based method benefits from exponential scaling by a factor of about six in terms of area used.



Wild, that also represents investment cost to a degree. Startup time on a base even just 1/6th the size before compounding is pretty ...

FWIW I expect non-beaconing to have some decent shots at optimal points in high UPS quality science builds, if those ever exist, but UPS concerns may show recycling to not be worth it on the sciences. I'm a ways out from that still, but I have been poking at it, and legendary iron is a problem ...

There are at least 2 different regimes to care about legendaries for; Mall stuff, and science production. For neither do I care about i/i. First off, this is a low level of mining productivity:

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I'm getting ~110 ores for every ore that leaves the ground. Lava is virtually free, the ...

Where speed matters more; and this is why I have to redo iron, is when productivity is going to just make so much material that it's impractical not to go fast. So in forging, the liquid step + productivity just adds such a huge constant multiple that 1.66 to 2 just doesn't matter if you can't ...

Just for good measure my materials efficiency is also an order of magnitude better, ~4800 molten iron compared to OPs >40,000.

Coffee, it feels like we're talking past each other. You keep talking in items per item, legendaries per common. I don't find this number particularly important, and when it's important it's for a different reason that a different optimization step will catch. I keep talking in items/sec output ...

Coal->Plastic is uniquely at the disadvantage to placing speed modules on the production facility because it can be made so productive.

Yeah it's actually quite interesting, and there's a few dimensions to play around with. I'm still trying to figure out how to optimize properly, if I'm being ...

(9.68 transmission is exactly 15 legendary beacons, 1 module each)
So if you do not care about waste if materials, you can go quite far with beacons, but there is hard limit how fast you can go. But if you want to optimise for module number, setup details will start to matter.
So how to image ...

coffee-factorio wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:20 pm

ichaleynbin wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:02 am
Which of these three setups produces the most legendary plastic per second?

None of the above.

First off, you didn't answer the question. Second off, OP is an order of magnitude wrong lol.

So there is net positive combination of quality quality and speed module, where lower chances are more than countered with increase of speed.

This is the thing. Legendary Speed 1 modules can be quite effective because they don't provide as much of a bonus or penalty. For fewer module machines ...

Romayne wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:53 pm Hi, I see where you are coming from but please provide an actual working design.

I posted videos of the comparative designs I am using in my actual base, on discord. Unblock me and apologize to me, and I'll relink it to you there.

Just a suggestion, don't block everyone who told you you are wrong. Your hostility means nobody cares about your opinion and nobody wants to spend any effort to give you counterexamples, even though it's so simple and obvious.


Exactly this. OP, if you has just listened to me instead of blocking ...

inb4 "What about the rest of the setup?" you do the same thing at all tiers and get a 800%++ increase across the board. Roll common plastic the same way.

It's very simple. In the extreme version, would you rather roll a 1% dice one million times, or a 50% dice one thousand times? The 1% is ...

Which of these three setups produces the most legendary plastic per second?