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by Belter
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:46 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 41
Views: 2734

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Updated my original v6 post , just minor changes: v6.36 I plan to measure on the weekend the UPS impact of - if any: - shared vs. separate circuit - inserter timing (simple: all plate inserters swing the same time vs. timed+offset: to put plates to the right place like in v6) - if moving arond the u...
by Belter
Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:19 am
Forum: Mechanical Throughput Magic (circuit-free)
Topic: UPS-optimized green circuits benchmarking
Replies: 10
Views: 372

Re: UPS-optimized green circuits benchmarking

Would be nice to publish the savegames to replicate the measurements easily. I really want to re-run the benchmarks. Unfortunately the 3rd one UPS-wise (my BP) is the same as the 2nd just a little worse :D - came up with that w/o seeing the 2nd... I beleive if I time the inserters it will outperform...
by Belter
Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:01 am
Forum: Mechanical Throughput Magic (circuit-free)
Topic: UPS-optimized green circuits benchmarking
Replies: 10
Views: 372

Re: UPS-optimized green circuits benchmarking

This is really cool! Created a quick chart w/UPS (higher is better).

Suggestions:
- increase the # of belts (100? 500?)
- CSV output would be better for quick charts
by Belter
Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:21 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt
Replies: 26
Views: 1228

Re: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt

Agree, I would expect prod modules in the furnaces to perform better than speed. But I would love to be proven wrong about this. Edit: I just calculated the effect of the modules, did not do any benchmarks Actually, in high beacon setups 1-1 is the best, but the difference is really small. And the ...
by Belter
Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:57 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt
Replies: 26
Views: 1228

Re: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt

I've optmized further the di layout: timed the steel (848) and iron (206) inserters, removed a row of electric poles and cleaned up the output belt. Next step is to measure the different versions above, and play a bit more... hope I can do that the next weekend! I'd like to understand the impact of:...
by Belter
Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:52 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt
Replies: 26
Views: 1228

Re: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt

Not yet, but will if I can make it work. Maybe a timer for the direct insertion inserters would make sense as well?
by Belter
Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:27 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 41
Views: 2734

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

causa-sui wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:54 am
Did some benchmarks vs Nilaus' masterclass BPs.
This is very cool, thank you. Looks v6 is the most UPS optimized solution for smelting then!
by Belter
Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:22 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 41
Views: 2734

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Edit: The signals are inconsistent between the rows in the last version posted. Here's what I suggest: Yep, my bad. Fixed in my orignal post, thank you for pointing out! Edit 3: This is strictly of aesthetic significance, but what's the reason for moving the gap between beacons on the leftmost cell...
by Belter
Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:10 am
Forum: Wiki Talk
Topic: Construction robotics page is missing the effect of "Ghost rebuild timeout: +168h"
Replies: 2
Views: 188

Re: Construction robotics page is missing the effect of "Ghost rebuild timeout: +168h"

Bilka wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:06 pm
the order of the effects on the wiki should be alphabetical
Did not know that, ty for the info.
by Belter
Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:59 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt
Replies: 26
Views: 1228

Re: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt

- less beacons! (320) 290 beacon also works, as the iron smelters are OK with 8 beacons - see calc . They will be almost 100% on so a bit worse for UPS though. Update: v4.03: Cleaned up version (to my taste), no splitter 0eNrdfV1vXNdy5V8hOECeWr77+0OYmwBJHvIymcEkgwmQGAYttX0bkUiiSTrXudB/n7O7W+IRuw5Vt...
by Belter
Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:53 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt
Replies: 26
Views: 1228

Re: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt

Very useful to see the scripts and tools to used, thanks for both of you causa-sui & disentius. This is a very clear situation, 340 UPS vs 200 UPS, that's a huge diff! I was expecting like 20% not 150% (and to the other direction of course :shock:) Direction insertion is the most UPS optimized ,...
by Belter
Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:45 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt
Replies: 26
Views: 1228

Re: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt

Put the components to a table for easier comparison. Is there any way to measure the # of swings of an inserter? Maybe better for me if not :)
by Belter
Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:04 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt
Replies: 26
Views: 1228

Re: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt

Woah, very cool, inspiring setups, thank you! I've dropped iron direct insertion for the same reasons as you guys mentioned: focusing on 12 beacon 40+45 setup. Not sure which is better for UPS, I think this is now crying for a UPS measurement. I was able to optimize the inserter timings - 169 insert...
by Belter
Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:20 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 41
Views: 2734

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

You can use a constant combinator instead of an arithmetic combinator to add one to the clock (I am not sure whether that counts as a game-changer): It does: If it makes it simpler then its better, updated! Also used this for my timed steel monster .. I think that you have to add an extra tick for ...
by Belter
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:01 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 41
Views: 2734

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

v6: It is possible to put the plates at the right place on the belt, no buffering! - Cycle is 144 ticks - Using a counter sign going 0..143 - needs two combinators as 144 is not 2^N - All smelters are overproducing by 0.5% so after a while all will be full - All inserters are always swinging the mi...
by Belter
Fri Jan 07, 2022 9:00 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 41
Views: 2734

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Edit: if two combinators is OK for you, see the my next post , no buffering and also no 2^32 craziness there.. Well, you're right. I was able to achieve this (inserters not waiting) after _some_ calculations, but delaying the inserters instead of moving them. TL;DR the result: - Cycle time to activ...
by Belter
Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:28 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 41
Views: 2734

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

I've re-used the ideas here to a steel smelter setup, TY again for all!

See viewtopic.php?f=193&t=101147
by Belter
Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:47 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt
Replies: 26
Views: 1228

UPS optimized Steel smelting to 1 blue belt

Based on the inspiring discussion on a full beacon smelting setup I've created a Iron Ore -> Steel smelter block to produce a full blue belt of steel Update: UPS-wise the winner is direct insertion , clearly. See the BP from disentius there. Due to DI only 10 beacon fits, but the UPS benefit overwri...
by Belter
Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:36 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 41
Views: 2734

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Here's a version with only medium electric poles, no substations (but also no lamps, sorry lol) Honestly it looks way better, thank you! I like your lane change mod as well. I've made the following minor changes: - was able to save 2 poles and 2 underground belts at the end - lamps are back of cour...
by Belter
Tue Jan 04, 2022 9:36 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 41
Views: 2734

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Cool videos! All inserters turned ON and OFF at the same time (same signal condition), but because sometimes they cannot dump ~11 items on the belt as items already there they turn off in different times. As you can see it that they can put items in the white belt gaps only (debug option "show ...

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