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by Belter
Sat May 21, 2022 9:48 am
Forum: This Forum
Topic: Technical/UPS optimization subforum please
Replies: 5
Views: 739

Re: Technical/UPS optimization subforum please

TY for looking into this. I'm to start a "Let's build a 10.8k spm sub-bases", first for Red Science, the Green etc if there will be an interest. They can fit to Show your Creations -> Medium/Big/Gigantic Sized Structures. For smaller topics I can add a simple circuit to check if the belt h...
by Belter
Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:01 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

You can compress the mining drills an additional 1 tile vertically and 3 tiles horizontally. This is cool, again! I've tried to simplify it but anyting I tried made it slower. At this level of UPS optimization a lane side change or side merge does not work, see my ideas. I also attach a save for Da...
by Belter
Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:34 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Belter v9.2 - I was not able to beat the speed of Dave's last BP. - It might be still interesting to see this 8 Beacon DI BP as it takes less vertical space - Demand = Supply exactly. Not over or underproducing. Note: for 8 Beacon setup 2xSM3 is the fastest - Reqs 12 smelters ( vs 10.4 or 11 for fa...
by Belter
Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:52 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Here is the 10.4 beacon blueprint modified to fit on a 23x29 ore patch. I also made the combinator logic easier to understand. This is a really cool BP! Due to the 10.4 setup which is ( 2x11 + 3x10 beacon ) x 2 lanes it was possible to make it really compact: DaveMcW v9.png Signalling is easier to ...
by Belter
Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:38 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

causa-sui wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:25 pm
Can we have a separate category for on-patch smelting? I understand that that is best objectively but it is not really applicable to games using settings closer to default.
This is the last, non-DI result and BPs: viewtopic.php?p=562815#p562815
by Belter
Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:32 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

10.4 beacon blueprint Works! Honestly this timing is far from obvious... DI Benchmark results - 500 lanes, 25k x 10 runs - DaveMcW v9.0: 10.4 beacon setup from here - DaveMcW v7.0, DaveMcW v8.0, Belter v8.16: same as here - Saves also attached - see the spoiler seciton below B026 Runs.png Times - D...
by Belter
Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:19 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Note that the fast furnaces need 290 hours to fill their buffer, so I recommend disconnecting the circuit network for a minute instead! I used to remove the chest at the end, fill everything at 64x speed to make sure all smelters are full for proper benchmarking. Then clone 499x. Will test this on ...
by Belter
Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:24 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

So for 10.4 shooting for 12 stack size which is the best of UPS: - 80640 / 490 = 164.571 ticks (exactly 12 * 192 / 14) - 80640 / 525 = 153.6 ticks (exactly 12 * 192 / 15) Benchmakring this with 25.000 ticks looks a joke.. ..also putting these two cycles to the belt w/o waiting is not obvious, lets s...
by Belter
Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:17 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

So for 10.4 - this is just a theory, how to get out of the produced plates from the smelters: Precise timing of the yelow ones would lead to 295,680 cycles (11 and 12 stack sizes) The blue ones look more promsing but less efficient: 384 cycle time (7 and 10 stack sizes, bad for UPS) Too bad inserter...
by Belter
Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:03 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

DaveMcW wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:56 am
A 10.6 beacon blueprint is possible
Looks 10.4 beacon setup is the theoretical limt here for 10 smelters (w/speed modules)...

Do you think a smelter running continously is the best for UPS?
by Belter
Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:19 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Direct insertion BPs - benchmark - 500 lanes - mining at 5000% /c game.player.force.technologies["mining-productivity-4"].level = 501 - no mods - saves attached DaveMcW v7 - 11 beacon setup - 10 smelters - 160 cycle - BP published here in this thread - hit 300 UPS on my computer :shock: -...
by Belter
Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:38 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Your counting script runs into console flood control, so it is not accurate. Would be really nice to read about this flood control, do you have some links? I'm learning Lua now... Listing all entities, checking modules SM3 PM3 - 1 beacon with only 1 module as a test: /c stats = {} entitycount = 0 f...
by Belter
Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:24 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Belter v8.16 - direct insertion BP optimized - uses perfect timing w/6 signals on 1 wire - I've tried to put speed modules to drills, a bit worse UPS. interesting. So left them empty - UPS gain: the 2 middle drills put ore to a chest vs ground - exposed (not underground) belt possible, but not bett...
by Belter
Sat Mar 12, 2022 3:51 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Updated: resolved , thanks DaveMcW! Forgot that I've added steel chests of the fast as suggested above by flame_Sla... Testing different variants of my DI BP to get the highest UPS. See the 2 attached saves - they look identical. But the UPS difference is significant :shock: I need some help. B022 B...
by Belter
Sat Mar 12, 2022 3:29 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

flame_Sla wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:46 am
the inserter picks up ore from the ground?
place the chest
Noted, TY! Will fix it in the next BP.
flomz wrote:
Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:27 am
One belt in versions 6.98 and 6.99 seems to have ore on the wrong side.
I beleive the UPS gain is to have 1 lane only, side not relevant. Will test this sometime.
by Belter
Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:04 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Belter v8.1 - DI of ore to smelters, needs ore patches inside the BP - 10 beacon setup, cycle time is 168.42 ticks -> using 176 as 32 * 5.5 - further idea: with minimal effort, separate signalling / separate wiring is possible - further idea: fully exposed belt is also easy to do - further idea: si...
by Belter
Sun Mar 06, 2022 7:57 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

I was able to gain +7% but.. cheated :D - used direct insertion and ore fields in the BP. New thread for DI? I'm considering opening a new thread: - do what you want in the editor e.g. place ore - produce 512 lines of plates to express loaders + infinity chests places outside your BP (so 8 belt cons...
by Belter
Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:27 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

TY for running the saves! Clearly the results are not consistent. Update: I've scaled Dave's UPS to 100% and show both benchamrks at the same graph: DisBeltBenchmark2.png I've made a messy chart - tried to put both AVG UPS numbers on the same chart, but this time Excel is not my friend: - blue thing...
by Belter
Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:06 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

We are in "our tools are not good enough for a meaningful distinction" country now. I think 1% is a good number for accuracy. I'll run these just for science. Can you ran the top 2-3 above? You have 2x UPS than on my potato computer. Update: I've run all 5 times, they're exactly in 1% ran...
by Belter
Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:16 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17693

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

I hope that the slightly different drill layout on the left and the infinity chest positions on the right does not have a significant effect on the results.

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