Friday Facts #394 - Assembler flipping and circuit control

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Friday Facts #394 - Assembler flipping and circuit control

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Assembling machine circuit control applyed on centrifuge removes challenge of designing efficient enrichment process.
I am not sure it is correct approach.

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Good post! I waited for mirroring Oil refineries a long time! Now just wait for someone to make one assembler run
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Thanks for listening to our feedback regarding bulk/stack inserters. I'm happy to see that was switched. I recommend releasing an update in the 1.x branch with the name change to make is less of a harsh transition in 2.0.

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This is sooo good, I'm just going to flip out!!

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I was waiting for both of these features for a long time. Configurable assemblers, flipping fluid inputs... just perfect. Thank you.

One thing still missing is being able to read a list of ghost entities from a roboport. Then everything can be automated.

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sounds flippin' awesome :mrgreen:

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Will an assembler use inputs from the dump slots?
So if I need to do a chain of operations where the output of one is the input of the next can the ingredients stay in the machine or do they need to come out and back in?

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Nice changes, though the combinator one is over my pay grade! Nice to see you changed the name of bulk/stack inserters, much more natural.
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koliw_br wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:10 pm
Good post! I waited for mirroring Oil refineries a long time! Now just wait for someone to make one assembler run
An opposite of megabase here the new term minibase is born.
Archetype - One assembler surrounded by combinators.

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gGeorg wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:25 pm
koliw_br wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:10 pm
Good post! I waited for mirroring Oil refineries a long time! Now just wait for someone to make one assembler run
An opposite of megabase here the new term minibase is born.
Archetype - One assembler surrounded by combinators.
Oooooh! Now that it has a name, I want it really bad :oops: !

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Is the assembler's dump inventory limited? I mean slotwise and amountwise. Can you in theory store all crafted items from many different recipes in there as you wouldn't be emptying the dump? If it is limited, does the overflow just chestplode?
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gGeorg wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:25 pm
koliw_br wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:10 pm
Good post! I waited for mirroring Oil refineries a long time! Now just wait for someone to make one assembler run
An opposite of megabase here the new term minibase is born.
Archetype - One assembler surrounded by combinators.
Google "micro factory factorio"

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Can we do a related change to a requester chest?

How does this work with fluids?

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Straugh wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:34 pm
How does this work with fluids?
This made me thinking... Can you dump fluids in assemblers? If yes, how does it work? If not... this can be abused to destroy fluids automatically. You could be automatically resetting a recipe which takes an undesired fluid.
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Or you could do the far more sensible thing, and allow people to configure which physical input/output corresponds to which item required/produced.

Having a fixed order or heavy, light, gas will always create problems with flipping.

But if you just have it input/output heavy, light, gas and *I* can choose which of its input/output pipes are which, then rotation logic isn't required.

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Both of these are great additions! My only comment about the bulk/stack inserter thing is that maybe the best solution is just to merge them into one inserter.

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I don't understand why a distinction had to be made between input and output pipes for flipping buildings. That's the only reason I can see why the Space Manufactory isn't considered symmetrical, because if output and input are considered the same, it is symmetrical. In the blueprint case, all the infrastructure around the building is going to be moved as well, so pipes that input resources will still input resources correctly after the flip. In the case of flipping a building that's already built, you're not checking if the fluids will be valid so why would it matter if there's a machine trying to output to another output? Or you are checking in which case it should be blocked on that grounds. What am I missing?

To add more sanity damage: Pumpjacks, which were mentioned before the Space Manufactory, are diagonally symmetrical. Are they able to be flipped as well?

TL;DR: The diagonal distinction makes no sense for Space Manufactory but does make sense for Pumpjacks.

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Flipping fluid inputs/outputs is one of my most anticipated features for the expansion. After playing Nullius I really miss making visually pleasing chemical plant arrays. I'm glad it made it in!

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So now we're only missing reactor circuit control to get the temperature directly, instead of doing some detection logic based on steam and output of used fuel cells. But I guess that's coming as well in due time.

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