Vintors wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:43 am
I was born in the USSR, if anyone present at the forum knows that there was once such a country.
I try not to watch the news so as not to get upset.
1. Putin, supported by the people - 77.4%
mmmPI wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:47 pm
Vintors wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:43 am
2. If, in my favorite game, there was no news in support of Ukraine, I would not have paid attention to it.
Fair enough, you posted french radio show without subtitled, but then do not answer in french. I found it weird because that's the only french journalist mentionned in russian official media despite many of them covering the story and her being pretty inexperienced since in her movie you can see that the representative of the doneskt pro-russian is choosing the witness himself, and asking the question himself in front the journalist who seem just "used". 3 times 15 days in place only at the demand of the local authority that are not allowing other journalists to roam free and ask their own question.
I think that anyone without malicious intent realize what happened to the journalist but maybe as it is in french it's not obvious to you and you justed posted it because you thought it would help.
Vintors wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:43 am
3. Judging by the comments, people do not understand the reasons for the "war" between Russia and Ukraine at all. It will not work to explain to a non-Russian.
some people do not understand, some people do not want to understand, some people wants to legitimize, some people try to justify , i don't think you are trying to inform, i think you are pushing a point of view which is different.
Vintors wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:43 am
4. The government of Ukraine itself says that it has been "fighting" since 2014
years with Russia. Ask the Ukrainians.
The government of Ukraine also say they tried to put out corrupt pro-russian leader in 2004, and were repressed before succeding, twice ! then Putin started to threaten to retaliate and armed some region and seized crimea, which some people in ukraine threaten to re-take by force, which leads russia to claim ukraine is a threat, because ukraine in nato could try to attack russia which made the situation more difficult for a president that was elected by 73 % of the ukrainian people where he was the most prefered candidate in the eastern region compared to his opponent, which look like it had a chance to reconciliate the 2 parties. It was also how some of his critics went against him saying he was too pro-russian, or close to russian-backed oligarchs. Which makes me think he was genuinly trying to make things better between the 2 party.
But russia has tons of nuclear missile in Kaliningrad and keep crying about its safety which is a dumb lie. They are the one threatening to blow up Europe , not the opposite. They are the one who have nuclear missile next to other people country. Europeans country do not have nuclear arsenal and rely on USA protection, hence NATO. You must know about Kaliningrad right ? So who is legitimate to complain about threat ?
Vintors wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:43 am
5. Since I was born in the USSR, it's funny to me to listen to "this is Russian propaganda." Russia is full of independent media, read them, maybe you will understand something. Unlike the United States and Ukraine, opposition media are closed by law. Don't believe the "Western propaganda".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vzKPYNsB4o
There is no link between you claiming to be born in USSR, and the media in russia. Also you said earlier you yourself try to not watch the news to not get upset. And now you tell me to read the independant media in russia. That is contradictory, and is also something i do, reading medias. Hence why i try to explained to you that reading only media "from russia" and "from the west" like it's only 2 block is a view that is propagated only in russian stated-backed media, the narratives is the same wether it's someone that is allowed to repeat like a parrot the government parole without analisys or the government. Then the goverment closes the media that defend views that are against the official view.
AND PEOPLE EVEN IN RUSSIA USES TELEGRAM: Why ? Because it's secure ? WHY ? BECAUSE THE FOUNDER FLEE RUSSIA SO THAT HE COULD CREATE A SERVICE OF MESSAGERY THAT IS NOT UNDER A STATE CONTROL.
Look it up yourself, try to ask in Russia about this guy :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov
Vintors wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:43 am
6. Today's time reminds me of the 90s of the collapse of the USSR.
Not me the curtain that separated the world collapsed in the 90's. It's being erected at the moment.
Vintors wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:43 am
7. I would pay attention to the behavior of England, the USA and Europe. (sanctions, the end of last year, etc.)
And finally, listen carefully to Putin's speeches, I think since the Munich speech of 2007.
I don't approve of War, but if forced... the French and Germans won't let you lie.
You would if you were reading the news ? you said you are not reading the news to not get upset, yet you seems to have been careful there in following what is very important to understand. But of course without reading the "western propaganda".
Vintors wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:43 am
I'm not a politician about that article. I think the French were just scared.
That's an english article that says the opposition far-right leader is funded by Russian bank after the leader met with Putin. Her father is a well-known neo-nazi supporter having gotten into trial several time for his speech on that. He founded the political party initally and his daughter succeeded, thanks to the money of the Russian people. Which doesn't seem coherent with the narrative of Russia being the defender of the world against the western nazi .
You say you are not a politician yet you seem to be pretty willing to justify a war for political reason. A war that not only endanger the very people it claim to protect, but also the world food supply chain.
Vintors wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:25 am
This year and the following will be difficult for everyone. The world has not recovered from the 2019-2020 year, as the energy crisis began, and politicians, instead of solving these crises,
decided to blame all the problems on Russia. The world has changed.
This is the argument of anti-russia feeling, which is not true , and ridiculous especially when you look at the example of the french politc scene where a presidential campain is happening and even the candidate funded by russian bank and pro-russia pro-putin think that the aggression of Ukraine constitute an escalation of violence that is source of a strain of wheat supply chain among other thing. Such strain on wheat supply chain DURING THE PLANTING SEASON is a great risk of instability, riots, and war next year when the wheat will be missing. And this is not Ukraine that is to blame.
Vintors wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:15 am
However, this is not relevant.
Most of what you posted is called "cheap and low content" It's irrelevant in general, not included into any discussion, just spammed repeatedly because you cannot explain rationnaly why you mean with those. It's just "guilt by association" or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
Premise: A is a B
Premise: A is also a C
Conclusion: Therefore, all Bs are Cs
some Ukrainian are 1m90
1m90 is very tall
Therefore all ukrainian are very tall.
Sounds stupid with the size right ? but if you take political party and copy paste it a lot, maybe you will manage to make some people doubt. Thing is you can only convince people that are gullible, then you can do opinion poll to verify for example:
In a country some people agree with the war-advocate some think peace is better. Now you ask them in a separate poll for example if they believe in flat earth, in vaccine, in science, in extra-terrestrial beings, and so on. This way you have some sort of idea of who is more likely to believe what. And then you realize what is a "gullible" person. Then you can measure the effect of the method of copy pasting regularly denial argument, cheap and low. It does have a slight effect of people who are gullible but pretty limited because generaly those person aren't in a position of responsability.
