Factorio Forums

Trains are great, but stacked belts outclass them in raw throughput.
If the legendary version of Cargos had increased cargo size, they’d be a much stronger alternative and stay competitive in late-game setups.

+1, also just generally (w/o considering quality) I feel like trains are weak compared to how cheap/fast belting is...

I like this idea, or at the very least I like the idea of trains being better.

Maybe there is a reason that train wagons aren't affected meaningfully by quality, but maybe not? steel / logistics chests were originally unaffected by quality and were patched to be bigger with quality AFAIK

On that note, maybe quality train locomotives could accelerate a bit faster and have a slightly higher top speed, too.

juliawtapp wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:07 am On that note, maybe quality train locomotives could accelerate a bit faster and have a slightly higher top speed, too.

This is already provided by quality fuel. But I think braking force would be more useful anyway. It’s actually quite important for throughput.

CyberCider wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:37 am

juliawtapp wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:07 am On that note, maybe quality train locomotives could accelerate a bit faster and have a slightly higher top speed, too.

This is already provided by quality fuel. But I think braking force would be more useful anyway. It’s actually quite important for throughput.

given the fact that quality fuel does do that, and the fact that braking force is not an infinite research, it does make sense that they could have better brakes.
anything more interesting than increased health (not super useful) would be welcome for me.

[Koub] Merged innto an existing thread with the same suggestion, and moved back to Balancing subforum.
See also viewtopic.php?t=119199

Quality Wagons should have an increased storage, similar to quality chests.

Why is this so important? I love train grids and with quality, productivity, better modules/beacons the production and consumption increased by a lot (more than +150% aka legendary), however the wagons size stood the same. This is a huge issue because the wagon unloads in ~1-2 seconds, so trains become actually inefficient (high deliver time, low transfer rate). The best adaptive solution would be to have quality wagons (like quality chests) an increased storage (do not forget liquid wagons).

Optional it would also be amazing to have a higher speed/acceleration or quality trains, for the sake of train grid players in Space Age.

Previously:

• 119199
• 118785
• 120768
• 123163

And probably several more.

This was implemented as CargoWagonPrototype property quality_affects_inventory_size in Version 2.0.29. There are several mods to enable this.