How should the path to liquid resin be?
Quick version
If you have some random mods for more biters like "explosive biters, natural evolution, revamp, etc" and you play in a death-world, it may be impossible to get liquid resin.
long version
Why I'm asking this. Some topics ago, some one asked about the resin been locked behind green circuit that need resin to be made, and santa answer something about been very unlucky.
I definitely got some tree samples but not the tempered tree ones. In this situation it proved to be a blocking factor in the progression if you don't know how to get to green science. Specially with tons of biters, most of the good arsenal is locked behind green circuit which limit you for trying a "brute force" approach, you may very well run out of resource.
Sure that I'm not asking for integration or anything like that, I added tons of mod for war, so I should resolve how I am going to deal with it.
I'm currently trying to get the liquid resin with the provided resources, but I'm not been able to find a path to it. I had 2 swamp garden and 1 desert garden and 1 Desert Tree.
So I used the Seed Extractor to get 64 Bio science from the 2 swamp garden, and research tempered tree arboretum, I was aiming to get the seeds, but when I finally got to build it, I realized that you need one tree to make the seed generator.
I used that 1 Desert Tree to get a seed generator and make wood with it, with the wood I was aiming to the resin, that can be liquified with the liquefier. I was going to use the wood to get to the Ethanol needed. When I finally get everything built, the pipes from the liquefier didn't connect, because you get Methanol from the Cellulose not Ethanol, Oh gosh.
Most of the trees that I found gave me Maufes Puuf Eggs, which are useless at this point in the game.
then I used the last Desert garden to get more 32 bio science and research Desert Farm, but you need the garden to use it in the Seed Extractor to get seeds for the farm.
The point is that the liquid resin itself is kind of locked behind itself, giving some circumstances, not totally but you can't simple get it and
might not be able to. I though that the wood route would be an option cause you can research "Fermentation Process" that give you Ethanol but you can't use it, the Corn and Fruit are still locked. Seems backwards you get access to the tech but still be locked from it.
I though in one recipe that could be an solution, even if it's super inefficient wouldn't let you locked behind "going out to find more trees" and wouldn't be so simple to get, it could be located with the "Fermentation Process" research, so you need to research almost the same path as "normal", and use it in the liquefier almost like using Corn or Fruits, but instead some kind mixture with (Soil + Cellulose Fiber + Green and Brow Algae), could even add some kind of water made by the washing plant. Then you will have some kind of fertilizer and use it in the liquefier to get some Ethanol, with Ethanol you can then make liquid resin with solid resin from wood.
Recipe Example
1x Fermented soil =
{
20x Soil
20x Cellulose Fiber
20x Green Algae
20x Brow Algae
100x Thin mud water (Maybe)
}
20x Ethanol {
1x Fermented soil
}
lovely_santa wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:13 am
Seraph91P wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:56 am
lovely_santa wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:04 pm
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It has a limit build in by the base game, but if there are multiple ways of creating something, it only prefers 1 of them. I think it prefers to create grey boards from paper over wood for example (as paper is again made from wood, more efficient). This specific one with grey boards I will try and fix to prevent it to be used in handcrafting automaticaly, so it will go for the wood.
What specific recipe are you stuck on? (try crafting each ingredient backwards untill it says you can craft something, then look what recipe it doesn't want to craft by hand, there will probably be another recipe for it.
Hi,
at some point it is every recipe. I have to craft everthing up to the point where I can craft what I actualy want. See Screenshot attached!
Thank You
As I said in my post, this is indeed the grey circuit. Factorio always prefers 1 recipe over the other. It makes sense (especialy for the early game handcrafting) to prefer the wood recipe over the paper recipe for handcrafting. I've changed this, but now it will happen the other way around when you have paper, which you should automate at that point anyway.
Implemented for the next release of industries.
grey-circuit.PNG
Laar wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:39 pm
I just noticed that concrete bricks can only be placed at 4+ tiles away from water, while normal concrete can be placed directly at the waters edge. Is this is a bug/historic or intended?
It's because it was like that back in the day. I've
fixed it for the next release of angels smelting. I've also made the range of clay brick closer to the water. Since water and clay doesn't mix well, you can't lay it exactly to the water.
PascalDUFOUR wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:13 pm
a question about bio-processing
i use all angel and bob mod, i find that the green tier tech needs green board, and the board needs liquid resin. however resin can only craft by bio-resin at first. other techs are all after green tier tech. and resin is made from raw bio-resin in this tech, and it is made from temperate tree seed, which needs temperate tree seed generator.
so my question is waht if i cannot find any temperate tree in the map, the game is over? or there're all 3 kinds of tree in the map, i'm too unlucky to find them all?
We did
some testing about trees a while back, they should all spawn in your world, so you just seem a bit unlucky? I just reran this on a very small area around my starting area (only has 200K trees as reference count) and I already got some. Depending on your area and moisture settings, you'll have more of one kind than the other probably.
tree_test.png
triktor wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:18 pm
The Motor Casing recipes that use colland and non expendable molds are not craftable. I guess they should be crafted in the Strand Casting Machine, but they are not
Can you show a screenshot? Maybe some other mod is messing with it? They all show up as castable for me using all BA mods (or even pure angel).
casting.PNG
Merssedes wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:58 am
Error while running setup for entity prototype "oil-refinery" (assembling-machine): fast_replaceable_group must be set when next_upgrade is set.
Mods to disable: angelspetrochem 0.9.5
Enabled mods:
* base 0.18.17
* angelsrefining 0.11.7
* angelspetrochem 0.9.5
Already reported multiple times and fixed for the next release. See
this post for a hotfix.
