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[2.0.66] Inseters stack size not clear in tech tree
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 4:36 am
by Evoluxion
After all the capacity research you ended up with 4 stack size in non-bulk inserters, but the Inserter capacity bonus research only give you +2 for a total of 3.
the tech that give you the extra +1 is Bulk inserter tech, but in the description doesn't say anything about regular inserters, so you ended up with +3 not knowing how.
Re: [2.0.66] Inseters stack size not clear in tech tree
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 7:26 am
by Rseding91
This is not a big. The technology shows in the effects list what it’s doing.
Re: [2.0.66] Inseters stack size not clear in tech tree
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 8:59 pm
by Evoluxion
Rseding91 wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 7:26 am
This is not a big. The technology shows in the effects list what it’s doing.
I don't know what i'm missing, says nothing about non-bulk inserters.
Re: [2.0.66] Inseters stack size not clear in tech tree
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 9:14 pm
by boskid
This falls onto the same as
116018 - due to how technologies and modifiers are made to work, we do not attempt trying to "guess" what were the values before researching a technology and what are the values after researching a technology, in many cases of modded games it could happen there are independent branches of technology that give the same bonus and we simply do not care about what order those technologies were researched and what were the modifiers while they were researched. That means we accept that the tooltips may be not accurate and if you look at the tooltips for researched technologies, the effects will state what would happen if this technology would be researched again.
If you think this is still a bug, then the only option will be to simply disable the effect tooltips when looking at the already researched technologies, but that will create problems with infinite technologies.
Re: [2.0.66] Inseters stack size not clear in tech tree
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 10:14 pm
by Evoluxion
boskid wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 9:14 pm
This falls onto the same as
116018 - due to how technologies and modifiers are made to work, we do not attempt trying to "guess" what were the values before researching a technology and what are the values after researching a technology, in many cases of modded games it could happen there are independent branches of technology that give the same bonus and we simply do not care about what order those technologies were researched and what were the modifiers while they were researched. That means we accept that the tooltips may be not accurate and if you look at the tooltips for researched technologies, the effects will state what would happen if this technology would be researched again.
If you think this is still a bug, then the only option will be to simply disable the effect tooltips when looking at the already researched technologies, but that will create problems with infinite technologies.
Even if i do not research bulk inserter tech, there is still no way to know that research is giving a +1 to a non-bulk inserters, researched or not researched the tooltip only says that apply to bulk and stack inserters.
Re: [2.0.66] Inseters stack size not clear in tech tree
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 10:45 pm
by Rseding91
Evoluxion wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 10:14 pm
Even if i do not research bulk inserter tech, there is still no way to know that research is giving a +1 to a non-bulk inserters, researched or not researched the tooltip only says that apply to bulk and stack inserters.
The bulk-inserter technology does not give a +1 to non-bulk inserters or the technology would show it. Inserter capacity bonus 2 does however give a +1 to non-bulk inserters.
Can you provide a save file showing the +3 hand stack size on non-bulk inserters? Because I am not able to reproduce any such issue with technologies.
Re: [2.0.66] Inseters stack size not clear in tech tree
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 11:13 pm
by Evoluxion
Rseding91 wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 10:45 pm
Evoluxion wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 10:14 pm
Even if i do not research bulk inserter tech, there is still no way to know that research is giving a +1 to a non-bulk inserters, researched or not researched the tooltip only says that apply to bulk and stack inserters.
The bulk-inserter technology does not give a +1 to non-bulk inserters or the technology would show it. Inserter capacity bonus 2 does however give a +1 to non-bulk inserters.
Can you provide a save file showing the +3 hand stack size on non-bulk inserters? Because I am not able to reproduce any such issue with technologies.
This is my fist space age run, all my non-bulk inserters have 1+3 stack size.
Re: [2.0.66] Inseters stack size not clear in tech tree
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 11:18 pm
by Loewchen
Evoluxion wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 11:13 pm
This is my fist space age run, all my non-bulk inserters have 1+3 stack size.
I did not look at the save, but it sounds like you are confusing
bulk-inserter with
transport-belt-capacity-2 tech.
Re: [2.0.66] Inseters stack size not clear in tech tree
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 11:30 pm
by Evoluxion
Loewchen wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 11:18 pm
Evoluxion wrote: Sat Sep 20, 2025 11:13 pm
This is my fist space age run, all my non-bulk inserters have 1+3 stack size.
I did not look at the save, but it sounds like you are confusing
bulk-inserter with
transport-belt-capacity-2 tech.
you are totally correct, when i "unsearch" bulk inserter tech automaticaly remove the +1 bonus for obvious reasons. i feel so dumb now.