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That's weak sauce Yuoki. Only 62 MW? My build gives 94 MW with 87 MW pure gravy. But Shhhsss, I won't tell. This one I will keep close to me.YuokiTani wrote: - fatmice used the new overheater -> steam-turbine - setup ... this gives ~ 62 MW stable if you can start and manage this beast(sample shown in yi_engines thread with 50 MW generator)
I'm presenting 3 different power builds below, all very complicated.orzelek wrote:I would really like to play with this stuff - I always have problems to find out what goes where and connects to what. I find it easier to put up complete electronics chain in bob's mods then put up one of those generator chains properly
There are nice screenshots around here - they don't help that much in understanding what works and how. And for some reason I'm not the one to watch youtube movies - I need a text description. And thats hard to find around unless I missed it somewhere?
(And item descriptions had funny stuff in them last time I looked - not helpful to make proper use of them
This kind of blackmagic?MantisShrimp wrote: I favor the red and blue turbines more, simply because of how they look. Though so far, this is about the most Rensuir turbines I can get running. I don't know what kind of black magic Fatmice is using in those pictures he post a couple pages back, but nothing I've tried runs that many Rensuirs. I've tried adding more water pumps but even when the extreme capacity pipes it's still not enough, the pumps end up stopping because the pipes are full of water. It's not that the boilers aren't getting enough water, they're sitting at 1.1k-1.5k of water, it's that they're not putting out hot water fast enough. I think I'm going to try a buffer of tanks for the hot water and see if I can get more generator going. I added another of those power stack and I think it generates 150 MW or something, just barely enough to run the infusers, all of which are -80% power and 275% speed (I think). They make more than enough crystals to keep the boilers running. Needless to say, these things produce MASSIVE amount of pollution.
I'm going to try Instable Quantium or whatever in that spinny machine thing to generate mechanical power. I just love how that thing look.
The unicomp expenditure is the highest with this build so I would call this a novelty build. It is pretty to look at but not practical because I am very much of Scrooge so I don't like to spend my unicomp unnecessarily. I would prefer that my unicomp be sitting in tanks. There is an upside to this build though and it is that you can burn unicomp directly to generate the MF needed. So if you don't want to make the entire left chain just to make instable quantrinum, go ahead and plop those nice purple pills into that quantrinum reactor. Don't forget rank 2 efficiency modules.
. So just tile this as needed. No need to worry about pollution. My engine has your back and the biters won't even know what is going on right under their noses. How the build works is through efficiency modules. You slot two rank 2 modules into the infuser and this lowers the energy usage to 20 MW. You infused one unicomp for 60s, so you spent 1.2 GJ and get a an infused unicomp that's worth 3 GJ, which net you 1.8 GJ. The second Obninsk is where you spend your extra energy. You need at least 8 of those water producers or be next to a nice area with a flat coast. You only need to use normal pipes if you place them carefully.
This particular build took me all weekend to "perfect," as in I am happy with how it looks. You can not believe the amount of corn that comes out of each chunk of farm, so the blue belts are a must. If you are going to farm, you shouldn't be skimping on the investments. Yuoki rewards you for thinking big. So what does this build do actually? What this build does is farm corn and turn them into vegetable oil and from there converted to lubricant and then into unicomp. I swear this is the best use of nine chunks of space you will ever do with Yuoki industries. This build spits out 84 unicomp/min, till eternity. Be wary, it is very resource intensive, and you must put rank 2 efficiency modules into all of the buildings that can accept them. The blueprint string that I gave you only place 1/3 of what's shown since the other 2/3 are tillable from the blueprint.
Grow vugarcane today and get rid of your tangle mess of pipes and chemical factories to make solid fuel. The natives will thank you. Not convinced? This build gives around 40 Rabio / min + 20 Unicomp / min and nary a drop of pollution. Remember to use rank 2 efficiency modules in all buildings that can accept them.
factorio 0.11 - YI until 0.2.29Solar wrote:Hi there,
I would like to try your mod pack but are you able to release a new version the new stable build for Factorio.yin
Also is it possible to add a dependency list in your download section down the version required including the base game requirement.
I am looking forward in trying out your mod pack, look like a challenge
Cheers,
Solar
They have the same behavoir as vanilla-lamps -> includes all logistic options. (shown in video)RadioMan wrote:These indicator lamps are really cool, just a question, will you also make it possible to have them communicate with the logistics system and/or with the new logic gates (atleast that's what I think they are, haven't played with those yet)
- thanks for the screenshots. Ok, don't think you understood my question completely, I meant to say if it's possible to check the logistic system, like you can with smart inserters for example and that it will light up when for instance my advanced circuits (which is stored in multiple provider chests) gets below a certain number.YuokiTani wrote:They have the same behavoir as vanilla-lamps -> includes all logistic options. (shown in video)RadioMan wrote:These indicator lamps are really cool, just a question, will you also make it possible to have them communicate with the logistics system and/or with the new logic gates (atleast that's what I think they are, haven't played with those yet)
I think you misunderstood him. He answered you perfectly. Did you watch his video?RadioMan wrote: Ok, don't think you understood my question completely, I meant to say if it's possible to check the logistic system, like you can with smart inserters for example and that it will light up when for instance my advanced circuits (which is stored in multiple provider chests) gets below a certain number.
I think what you tried to say is that you can do the same with normal vanilla lamps, so I might have to ask this question to the factorio devs, but then again maybe a modder thinks this is a nice idea and can make these changes himself
Who needs solar when you have corn and vulgarcane? Pretend they are real plants that soak up the Sun's energy.YuokiTani wrote:[
awesome and crazy builds. very nice to see what all is possible
interesting that the rheinsberg/obnisnk is better as a gearbox to power up the mf. (i will try this also)
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rensuir are primary-energy (run always) ... don't use if you want solar-power (can make you invest into solar-panels useless).
Now I am even more confused, so it does connect to the logistic system, well I better watch the video again (luckilly I understand german), couldn't connect to a chest no other than with a green wire if I didn't connect them with a green wire like with smart inserters, the lamp gui wasn't opening up.Fatmice wrote:I think you misunderstood him. He answered you perfectly. Did you watch his video?
okay ... this is good and that's the mod. it gives you stuff if you needed this. if you have no power-problems or like solar-panels, have replicator-mod or no ressource issues and not bored of vanilla then is no reason to go deeper into YI. Addon PFW is a factory/organisation-puzzle to get profit (UC-A2).orzelek wrote:Screenshots and blueprint strings are nice - they still don't explain how stuff works and how to touch mechanical power;)
I'm staying with better ammo and easy to make efficiency modules that help a ton when playing with bob's mods that make module production very complex.
Color me impressed, Fatmice. I'm working on a Vugar farm set up right now. Still need a bit of ratio to work out. I didn't think corn->-lube->pink block would be that great, but I'll be sure to give that a try. Great way to make stuff from thin air. I usually just turn corn into veggie oil and light it on fire. This Vugar addition got me all excited. With vanilla Factorio, if you want to go green, you only have the choice of solar. It's pretty great that YI adds alternatives. I mean, I'm still going to murder all the natives, but I don't want to pollute MY planet.Fatmice wrote:...
Explaining takes too long. I gave you the blueprints and that is like me giving you my brain. All you need to do now is pick at it and experiment a bit.orzelek wrote:Screenshots and blueprint strings are nice - they still don't explain how stuff works and how to touch mechanical power;)
I'm staying with better ammo and easy to make efficiency modules that help a ton when playing with bob's mods that make module production very complex.
Fatmice wrote:Explaining takes too long. I gave you the blueprints and that is like me giving you my brain. All you need to do now is pick at it and experiment a bit.orzelek wrote:Screenshots and blueprint strings are nice - they still don't explain how stuff works and how to touch mechanical power;)
I'm staying with better ammo and easy to make efficiency modules that help a ton when playing with bob's mods that make module production very complex.
Once you play enough of Yuoki's, this stuff comes naturally. There are many ways to do the same thing in Yuoki because of Unicomp and this really foster creativity.
Well to be fair, it's not really stuff out of thin air...not anymore than what solar panels are doing.MantisShrimp wrote: Color me impressed, Fatmice. I'm working on a Vugar farm set up right now. Still need a bit of ratio to work out. I didn't think corn->-lube->pink block would be that great, but I'll be sure to give that a try. Great way to make stuff from thin air. I usually just turn corn into veggie oil and light it on fire. This Vugar addition got me all excited. With vanilla Factorio, if you want to go green, you only have the choice of solar. It's pretty great that YI adds alternatives. I mean, I'm still going to murder all the natives, but I don't want to pollute MY planet.
In essence, what is going on here is we're simply investing some energy to get our farm up. The plants then soak up the sun's energy and then we press them to harvest that energy. It is quite realistic and reasonable. Of course, since this is a game, we should be allowed to twists a few physical laws along the way. I don't feel guilty about exploiting zero-point energy anymore now that I have my farms.Be brave and take the next step. What's stopping you?Cooolaid wrote: Im gonna have to agree with ( Orzelek ).
Someone really needs to create a video tutorial about this mod.
Show people step by step on how to go through each part and what each machine does and what are their functions.
People want to know how stuff works. and just telling them to "experiment" does not help at all.
There needs to be some sort of basic structure on how to get things going, and move along the chain of machines and its functions.
I myself have this mod installed, and the farthest I have ever gone was the purple and orange blocks. along with basic wall structures.
After that, everything else is confusing and many people don't know the direction to take.
It might seem easy for you, thats because you already know what each machine does.... thats fine. but many others need a tutorial so they can learn as well.
Its a gorgeous mod with gorgeous graphics.
But many people including myself have never gone past 2% of the entire mod usage/building because no one knows how stuff works.
they dont know what is suppose to connect to what. what machines gets attached to what machines. what factories gets attached to what machines. so on and so forth.
( Orzelek ) is not the only one confused.
Don't expect Yuoki to make a tutorial video in English as I do not think he speaks it well. When I dove head-in to Yuoki Industries, I didn't know anything either. At that time, I didn't even complete the campaign yet. This was 0.10.x. I was already bored with how linear the vanilla recipes were, so I was searching for mods and struck gold with Yuoki Industries. As I've said before, the other large mods were not appealing to me because I thought that they were monotonous, linear, and tedious expansion of vanilla mechanisms. Yuoki Industries is a web of recipes where some are the connecting threads among disparate part of the web. The common currency is simply UC-A2 or unicomp with its goto dispenser the Cimota Restructor. If you just think in unicomp, you have the mod down to a T. While it seems there are many buildings in Yuoki Industries, most of them are the end result of unicomp transformation. The production of unicomp is the only thing that matters.a) turrets nearly final, atm i miss my second gun-turret just to have the choice and a different graphic - so definitly a second gun-turret come back. perfect would be a auto-logistic-requesting-ammo-turret ^^ - but no chance i can't code this.Darloth wrote:Some mild criticism here, hope that's ok.
Basically, your turrets are so good they make vanilla turrets obsolete. They do this without requiring any higher tech research, and in some cases now cost significantly LESS resources (though a little of that is blue stuff).
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I realize the balancing on all of this stuff is probably not final, especially with 0.12 still being new, but I hope you appreciate some feedback on it!
Edit: A bit more balance... Did you know you can turn petroleum gas into Unicomp, then the Unicomp into more plastic than if you'd just made the plastic directly? It uses more energy, but energy costs can be reduced or you can be running the whole thing off plant oil or nuclear power or solars or biters on treadmills or something. I'm fine with trading being profit for nothing, but this is a direct resource loop - I mean, heck, just going from oil to oil products to unicomp then back to oil takes in energy and outputs excess resources. Is that ease of looping intentional? Either way, I think the price of plastic could do with being adjusted (more expensive) a little bit.
Edit2: Do your laser turrets have a hidden weakness in that they can be overwhelmed with numbers because they draw power slower than their maximum fire rate. If so, that's awesome, please make it more obvious in the tooltip. Oh, and the bricked laser tower and the normal YI laser tower seem to fire different colors of laserbolt, but have much the same looking gun - is that intentional?
Edit3: Hmm, there are more differences between laser turrets than I thought, at least in the latest version.
- the bricked laser is on todo-list for new graphic.i have no list.vampiricdust wrote:I would love to do videos over this mod but it really needs items sorted into tech nodes. I am willing do the work of converting all the recipes to their tech tree nodes if you have a list of what recipes go where.
I like that it's an option, I just think it's TOO efficient to convert to plastic right now.
