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Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:09 am**

Ranakastrasz wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:19 am Compared to the earlier version I played, I have to say, I really like the shorter path to basic crystallization.

Oh, what is the difference ?

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:15 pm**

BlueTemplar wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:09 am
Ranakastrasz wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:19 am Compared to the earlier version I played, I have to say, I really like the shorter path to basic crystallization.
Oh, what is the difference ?

Two differences, at least two that were obvious enough.

One, Green algae, there is a lower tier recipe than before. The current T2, mineralized water plus carbon dioxide, used to be the lowest tier, but now you can just use plain seawater from a offshore pump, for half the yield.

Two, Mineral crystalization. Used to be, again, T2 was the only method, so you had to, I think, make coal, crush coal, wash coal, get sulfur. Make sulfuric acid, melt slag into slag slurry. Make Filters with coal and something, filter slag slurry into.... Something something something, crystalize into ore.

It was complicated, ok? Now, its, Crush slag into crushed stone, dissolve in sea water, and crystalize. Up until you want something other than Iron and Copper.

Its so much simplier now. Basically, the old T1 stuff, with many steps, is now the T2, more efficient/needed for progression part.

Here is the old flowchart

https://preview.redd.it/kfjaiel9bwtz.pn ... c8e8863e61

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:20 pm**

Right, it used to be (in late 0.16) that you didn't have a choice and had to go trough the relatively bad mineralized algae for power until you got to trees, which then easily carried you to nuclear.
While now burning trees is worse than the new sea algae (t1) - which is even "better" than the mineralized algae (t2) as long as you have the space and buildings ! (Which you obviously might not early on, so it's an interesting dilemma...) (And then having to divert precious crushed stone... :/ )
And also free cellulose hand-harvesting was added at some point before latest 0.16 ?

But I can't see when the mineralized crystallization (t1) might have been added, wasn't it always there ?

Posted: **Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:55 pm**

3ara3ik wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:55 am
Megouski wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:41 am
3ara3ik wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:07 pm

Is that what you intended?
What is the problem with that exactly?

Should processed quartz go like with metal or what I don't understand?
I don’t see the logic to distill 6 silicon ingot into 24 silicon ingot

Ill jump in game and look at this

Trichlorosilane is silicon (quartz) ingot and hydrogenchloride. I dont see the issue still. Its just adding complexity to get higher yield, like most of this packs processes. Use FNEI to find it

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:28 am**

Megouski wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:55 pm
3ara3ik wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:55 am
Megouski wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:41 am
3ara3ik wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:07 pm

Is that what you intended?
What is the problem with that exactly?

Should processed quartz go like with metal or what I don't understand?
I don’t see the logic to distill 6 silicon ingot into 24 silicon ingot
Ill jump in game and look at this

Trichlorosilane is silicon (quartz) ingot and hydrogenchloride. I dont see the issue still. Its just adding complexity to get higher yield, like most of this packs processes. Use FNEI to find it

I did not look what liquid is made of)))

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:52 pm**

When trying to launch the seablock server i get the following error.

0.000 Error Util.cpp:83: "coal" is not a valid autoplace control name.

Info:
Factorio Version: 0.17.79
Seablock pack: 0.3.8

Steps:
1) Download pack from here
2) Create a mods folder
3) Unzip pack into mods folder
4) Delete pack zip from mods folder
5) Start factorio server for the first time

Is there some configuration that i need to do?

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:50 am**

Angel's PetroChem was updated to work with Factorio 0.18. It now appears all the dependencies for Seablock have been updated to work against 0.18! I spent some time today testing out Seablock against 0.18. The first error encountered was:

Failed to load mods: Error in assignID, technology with name 'bio-processing-alien' does not exist.

The fix for this is in seablock\data-updates.lua, by changing line 212 to

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local artifacttech = 'bio-processing-alien-1'

It appears this tech has two tiers now. After this, the mod loads and is able to create a new game. I enabled cheats and proceeded to work my way through the tech tree using infinity chests and labs. I ran into a hard stop on researching cellulose paste. It appears petrochem has two pre-reqs for this tech now, one of which was removed from this mod pack: bio-processing-brown. The fix for this is also in data-updates.lua, down on line 659 there is a section to remove bio-processing-brown. We need to add the cellulose paste to this removal. Here is the fix (starting on line 659):

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-- Remove brown algae tech
data.raw.technology['bio-processing-green'].prerequisites = {'water-treatment'}
local brownidx = lib.tablefind(data.raw.technology['bio-processing-blue'].prerequisites, 'bio-processing-brown')
if brownidx ~= nil then
  table.remove(data.raw.technology['bio-processing-blue'].prerequisites, brownidx)
end
-- Remove brown algae from bio paste
brownidx = lib.tablefind(data.raw.technology['bio-processing-paste'].prerequisites, 'bio-processing-brown')
if brownidx ~= nil then
  table.remove(data.raw.technology['bio-processing-paste'].prerequisites, brownidx)
end
data.raw.technology['bio-processing-brown'].enabled = false

After this, I was able to research all the way to the FTL drive and win the game (using infinity chests, not the actual assemblers).

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:51 am**

Here's a 0.18 test release:
~~SeaBlockPack_0.4.0.zip~~ - outdated, check first post for latest version

Remove alginic acid solder recipe
Update tech tree dependencies/prerequisites for Angel's changes
Remove fuel_value for some Angel's fluids
Reduce neighbour bonus for heat source burners
Force Bob's nuclear update setting on

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:22 pm**

How do you get the resin then?

Posted: **Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:04 pm**

Trainwreck wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:51 am Here's a 0.18 test release:
SeaBlockPack_0.4.0.zip

Remove alginic acid solder recipe

Update tech tree dependencies/prerequisites for Angel's changes

Remove fuel_value for some Angel's fluids

Reduce neighbour bonus for heat source burners

Force Bob's nuclear update setting on

Faster than expected. Nice work!

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:39 am**

dcbartlett wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:52 pm When trying to launch the seablock server i get the following error.

0.000 Error Util.cpp:83: "coal" is not a valid autoplace control name.

This is a map generation issue. I assume you either have a dedicated server host, or you pass a dedicated map-gen-settings.json file with map generation settings. It will contain autoplace settings for various stuff not available von seablock, such as 'coal'. I had the same issue yesterday with da dedicated server host.

I would recommend you generate the map locally and upload it to the server.

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  "autoplace_controls":
  {
    "coal": {"frequency": 1, "size": 1, "richness": 1},
    "stone": {"frequency": 1, "size": 1, "richness": 1},
    "copper-ore": {"frequency": 1, "size": 1,"richness": 1},
    "iron-ore": {"frequency": 1, "size": 1, "richness": 1},
    "uranium-ore": {"frequency": 1, "size": 1, "richness": 1},
    "crude-oil": {"frequency": 1, "size": 1, "richness": 1},
    "trees": {"frequency": 1, "size": 1, "richness": 1},
    "enemy-base": {"frequency": 1, "size": 1, "richness": 1}
  },

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:41 am**

Trainwreck wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:51 am

Reduce neighbour bonus for heat source burners

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:29 pm**

vjbone wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:41 am
Trainwreck wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:51 am

Reduce neighbour bonus for heat source burners

They are still really powerfull compared to the normal steam power generator setup

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:29 am**

Sea block pack 0.4.1 has been released. Check first post for download link.

Update 2020-2-13, version 0.4.1:

Fix ore crystallization recipe icons and names
Reduce science cost of solder smelting technology and its prerequisites

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:03 pm**

Trainwreck wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:29 am Sea block pack 0.4.1 has been released. Check first post for download link.

Update 2018-2-13, version 0.4.1:

Fix ore crystallization recipe icons and names

Reduce science cost of solder smelting technology and its prerequisites

I hope you mean 2020, not 2018 :)

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:40 pm**

I just updated from 0.17.x to the latest build and wanted to try out Sea Block for the first time. I updated all mods I already had and disabled any that weren't compatible, and downloaded SB with all its dependencies via the ingame mod manager.

Upon loading the game, I get the following error:

Failed to load mods: __SeaBlock__/data-updates.lua:637: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)

stack traceback:
__SeaBlock__/data-updates.lua:637: in main chunk

I tried disabling ALL mods (a few QoL things were still active at my first try), reloading, and then only activating Sea Block (which also activated all dependencies, and I checked that all of those also had their dependencies checked recursively), and still got the same error after restarting.

What am I missing?

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:56 pm**

remove your mod-settings.dat and try again, there's some incompatibilities in the way you had bob's setup, i think it involves nuclear power rework being selected. it may or may not be required, try whatever state is opposite the one it's currently in.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:58 pm**

Trainwreck wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:29 am Sea block pack 0.4.1 has been released. Check first post for download link.

Update 2018-2-13, version 0.4.1:

Fix ore crystallization recipe icons and names

Reduce science cost of solder smelting technology and its prerequisites

Found a picture of Trainwreck in the wild.

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:31 pm**

Is the T1 green algae recipe supposed to have brown algae as byproduct?

Posted: **Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:36 pm**

ptx0 wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:56 pm remove your mod-settings.dat and try again, there's some incompatibilities in the way you had bob's setup, i think it involves nuclear power rework being selected. it may or may not be required, try whatever state is opposite the one it's currently in.

That sadly didn't do anything. I also didn't have bob's and/or angel's installed ever before.

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