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[0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:23 pm
by movax20h
It is rather annoying that if one sets game.speed=100 in editor, the game starts autosaving ever 5 seconds, and the console output is disappearing after a fraction of the second. I think both autosave and the console output hiding should be using real / wall clock time. With only exception autosave should not count real time when the game is paused.
Using Linux client.
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:30 pm
by Deadlock989
movax20h wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:23 pm
It is rather annoying that if one sets game.speed=100 in editor
Garbage in, garbage out.
Just don't do that.
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:31 pm
by movax20h
Deadlock989 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:30 pm
movax20h wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:23 pm
It is rather annoying that if one sets game.speed=100 in editor
Garbage in, garbage out.
Just don't do that.
I strongly disagree. The setting the menu for autosave is in minutes. Not ticks.
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:32 pm
by Deadlock989
*shrug* Your self-inflicted peeves are not automatically bugs.
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:35 pm
by movax20h
Deadlock989 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:32 pm
*shrug* Your self-inflicted peeves are not automatically bugs.
Your opinions doesn't make my opinions or preferences wrong either.
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:40 pm
by Loewchen
This does not describe a bug.
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:42 pm
by movax20h
Loewchen wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:40 pm
This does not describe a bug.
Could you elaborate? How is that not a bug?
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:34 pm
by Klonan
movax20h wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:42 pm
Loewchen wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:40 pm
This does not describe a bug.
Could you elaborate? How is that not a bug?
The autosaves are baed on the game tick, which increments at a value based on the game speed
If you don't want an autosave every 5 seconds, increase your autosave interval
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:39 pm
by movax20h
Klonan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:34 pm
movax20h wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:42 pm
Loewchen wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:40 pm
This does not describe a bug.
Could you elaborate? How is that not a bug?
The autosaves are baed on the game tick, which increments at a value based on the game speed
If you don't want an autosave every 5 seconds, increase your autosave interval
I do understand that it works the way it works, and understand the cause and effect. I even said that in the title of this bug report. What I am saying, I am not sure this is not what user usually intents to happen.
Changing (increasing) autosave interval feels like a workaround.
I use game.speed=100 just for a minute or so, mostly to test various builds and how they cope with balance / throughput, and not wait forever for this to happen on its own. So I do go between game.speed=100 (or 10) and back to game.speed=1 pretty often in the editor for testing purposes. However, if I change the autosave interval in the settings to lets say never, or every 1 hour, it is very likely I (or anybody else for the matter), I will forget to put it back to the previous usable value. That is not a nice user experience and is pretty annoying if you ask me.
Also, sorry for putting this in the same bug, but the second part about the auto hiding of the console output after a delay, similarly is unintuitive.
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:41 pm
by Klonan
movax20h wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:39 pm
What I am saying, I am not sure this is not what user usually intents to happen.
The second part about the auto hiding of the console output after a delay, similarly is unintuitive.
Unfortunately intent and intuitiveness are not the criteria for bughood
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:47 pm
by movax20h
Klonan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:41 pm
movax20h wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:39 pm
What I am saying, I am not sure this is not what user usually intents to happen.
The second part about the auto hiding of the console output after a delay, similarly is unintuitive.
Unfortunately intent and intuitiveness are not the criteria for bughood
Hmm. I am pretty sure to some extent the intent being different than outcome is the definition of bug hood. If you have a function sum, is documented as returning a sum, and your expectation and calling it with intent of it to return a sum of two numbers, but it returns a difference, it is is a bug...
Just saying.
Is there some other way of speeding the game simulation, but leaving other aspects of the game interaction (UI, movement in editor, autosave, console autohide) unaffected? Would lack of such a feature be considered a deficiency? Or at least a feature request to be able to do it?
I doubt I will change your mind, I am just showing my perspective.
Thanks.
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:17 pm
by eradicator
LuaGameScript.autosave_enabled exists. So you could write a mod that detects "high" speed values and temporarily disables autosaving.
Re: [0.18.6] Game autosave and console output autohide are coupled to game.speed
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:18 pm
by movax20h
eradicator wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:17 pm
LuaGameScript.autosave_enabled exists. So you could write a mod that detects "high" speed values and temporarily disables autosaving.
Thanks that is helpful. I will try that.