Flask production Tier 1 and Tier 2

[Topas]

The plan is to crack all the light oil in petroleum, maybe a second refinery is needed... I am testing it and the petroleum comes a litle bit slow, we'll see. The bigger problem are the bugged underground belts wich get stuck all the time...

[Zourin]

Red and Green packs can be done pretty compact if you share a gear belt between them. The important thing is keeping iron production up to snuff.



Blue Packs are too much a pain in the ass for belts. Build subcomponents elsewhere, transfer what you need via logistic network.

[sparr]

OK, here is my Tier 1/2/3 factory, based on yours. I did not try to include the refinery yet. I think that with a lot of optimization I could make this factory 2 tiles shorter and narrower and include a refinery and two steam engines, but that would require a lot more underground belts and pipes.

[Marqee]

For now I'm just pumping all my light oil into a steam engine.

well that's a solution , but is also a waste.

[deradin]

Looks good spar.

I think you have an issue with the pack 3 plants in the bottom right. I think you did not connect the under belt to transport the circuits and batteries. Otherwise, this is one of the better all pack plants that I have seen since the new recipes.

OK, here is my Tier 1/2/3 factory, based on yours. I did not try to include the refinery yet. I think that with a lot of optimization I could make this factory 2 tiles shorter and narrower and include a refinery and two steam engines, but that would require a lot more underground belts and pipes.

[sparr]

I think you have an issue with the pack 3 plants in the bottom right. I think you did not connect the under belt to transport the circuits and batteries.

Oh, hmm. It was definitely connected shortly before taking the screenshot. Sorry about that. Looks like there's more than enough space to fix it, though.

[ssilk]

I think this is very good, I will take some ideas out from here.Bbut too big. With modules etc, I think about a half or 2/3 of the production is normally enough, especially the blues are really not needed in that amounts. I've calculated that through anywhere else: with the number of assemblies, you could create a high number of blue bottles.

[sbroadbent]

The only thing I would change about the Tier 2 production setup (in the first picture) is to have the inserters or transport belts output to the right of the factory, running a belt down the right side under the Electronic Circuits (moving the Science Pack 2 production down one tile) into the original output belt. At the moment both inserters and transport belts will be placed on the same side of the transport belt to the Science Pack production area, which could potentially cause issues if transport belts clog the line. That could happen if your iron plate output slows down to the point where the inserter factory gets starved of iron because the Transport Belt factory is first in line to grab iron. The only way to correct that is to put a splitter and additional belts in to attempt to ensure an even distribution of iron between inserter and transport belt factories.

Also, regarding not having enough petroleum, he has Light Oil to Petroleum cracking to increase the amount of Petroleum flowing into the system. If the system required more Petroleum, you could also crack the Heavy into Light and then into Petroleum.

Overall, interesting setup.

[Bob9009]

This is the most compact way I could find of making t1/t2 flasks. The lab/forge areas could be tightened up, but just the actaul assembly line I mean.

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As it is it will keep 6 upgraded labs running constantly

[BurnHard]

Check production times of the products. Inserters, gears and belts are very fast produced, you only need 1 assembler of each type (with 2 fast inserters each for inserting raw material).

The bottlenecks on your line are are absolutely the slow inserters supplying the assemblers, the circuits and subsequently copper wires (i would transfer copper wires directly from assembler to assembler to utilize inserter stack bonus).

Compare production time of the to see the needed ratio of assemblers for a full production line. Look if the assemblers work 100% of time or add more inserters for supplying or emptying the assemblers.

[Bob9009]

I've just robbed most of the lines of bits for crafting stuff before i took the shot, theres no bottlenecks, but I see your point about direct transfer between assemblers.
I'll have to have a rethink

[BurnHard]

Thats my design for 1 & 2...

Both produce the same output per second (5 assembler for pack 1, 6 assembler for pack 2, due to different production times). Excess gears, belts, circuits are placed into chests.

[Palpatine]

I think this is very good, I will take some ideas out from here.Bbut too big. With modules etc, I think about a half or 2/3 of the production is normally enough, especially the blues are really not needed in that amounts. I've calculated that through anywhere else: with the number of assemblies, you could create a high number of blue bottles.

I totally agree. This thing is optimized beyond me, but the production and resource consumption is just too high. With this set up you will need huge ass trains and at least three large iron mines. Currently I am in a slow (unoptimized) game and I only have 1/3 of that capability. I think 2/3 of this is what a normal game needs. I wish someone could optimize a smaller 1-3 tier factory.

[Palpatine]

I think you have an issue with the pack 3 plants in the bottom right. I think you did not connect the under belt to transport the circuits and batteries.

Oh, hmm. It was definitely connected shortly before taking the screenshot. Sorry about that. Looks like there's more than enough space to fix it, though.

Thanks for your nice design. How many labs do you have for this factory? Also, why do you need 5 battery plants? Shouldn't 3 suffice as chemical plants have efficiency of 1.25?

[Madlax]

Compact tier 1+2 design with 9x14 footprint for early stages. 1 green + 1 red flasks per 6.66 seconds. Had to use +20% production module to attain balance between green and red production, but at early stages this can be simply ignored. Science labs can be put separately or right on top (3 labs max @ 9x17 footprint).

[Sedado77]

Compact tier 1+2 design with 9x14 footprint for early stages. 1 green + 1 red flasks per 6.66 seconds. Had to use +20% production module to attain balance between green and red production, but at early stages this can be simply ignored. Science labs can be put separately or right on top (3 labs max @ 9x17 footprint).

WOW
Such efficiency
Very production
Little space

Doge likes.

xD

Nah, really, It is a great compact design. as compact as i've seen. I personally don't like to have it like that, but it IS great

[DaveMcW]

Even more compact design with 10x11 footprint.

The iron and copper inserters are wired to a smart chest. Iron flows while gears < 10, and copper flows while copper < 10. This is needed to stop the cargo wagon from filling with raw materials.

[Madlax]

Even more compact design with 10x11 footprint.

The iron and copper inserters are wired to a smart chest. Iron flows while gears < 10, and copper flows while copper < 10. This is needed to stop the cargo wagon from filling with raw materials.

Very nice! Though you need a little bit more research to be done to implement it, but I like the idea of a cargo wagon in between. Need to think about upgrading my tier 1-4 scheme with that.

[sbroadbent]

A few comments.

I like the idea of using a cargo wagon as a means by which to store items and materials. Unlike a chest which can only be accessed by up to 1 inserter per side, the cargo wagon can be accessed by as many as can fit around it.

Regarding Topas and Sparr's combined Science 1-4 factories, having tested out a similar layout in my own game, without the ability to choose to insert on the near side, the Transport Belt production will very quickly choke the Science 2 production since it produces 2 Transport Belts per cycle, meaning they will back up since Science 2 requires only one of each. Without a mod that adds that functionality in, the alternative is to do what I suggested in a previous response by outputting to a belt to the south and then running a Transport Belt around to merge on the empty side.

In my testing of the layout, I also believe that the Gear Factory for the Science 2 area can also, with a long-handled inserter also provide sufficient production for the Science 1 area, thereby needing one less building.

Overall though, unless you are pushing quickly through research, I think this amount of Science production may be overkill. Once I get the important things researched, research tends to be sporadic at best. I don't think I've ever had more than 4 Science 3 Assembly's and 3 Furnaces in the layout and I've also cut back on the Science 1 and 2 Assembly's. You could probably also eliminate half of the Advanced Circuit production, though those extra advanced circuit production could be diverted to Processing Unit production. Once I got into robotics, I eliminated the belts to the Science 3 as well as to the Research area and have used Requester and Provider chests to supply that which is needed.

[roman566]

A simple production line, not very efficient in terms of time but easy to set up and manage.