... as well not even exist. And coal liquefaction is cool, but it’s a vanilla feature, it can’t be compared to the entire spoilage system or scrap recycling with its 10 complex byproducts. And that’s not even mentioning nutrient machines, egg/bacteria loops, small building spaces, disconnected power ...

Besides, recycling lines are like the worst method for traditional quality. It's almost always better to recycle into a container like what sane people do in Fulgora. The optimal solution to vanilla upcycling is just building a big dumb bot base and enough yellow chests for byproducts of a life time ...

... have to be logged every time you copy, paste, or redistribute a blueprint.

And one of things I've run into is that a miss-stacked turbo belt recycling 4 ips of blue chips at 300% productivity is not going to hold anywhere near it's 240 item/second capacity. When I run into the same problems ...

... feeding rare production, and so on. Of course producing every tier is still harder than the last, but like, that’s the whole point.


Besides, recycling lines are like the worst method for traditional quality. It's almost always better to recycle into a container like what sane people do in ...

... any positive feeling by that point. The way quality items work against belts and inserters make long quality chains decisively unfun.

Besides, recycling lines are like the worst method for traditional quality. It's almost always better to recycle into a container like what sane people do in ...

... them quite different from the usual idea of quality ores. So I find them pretty cool, and it would be nice if they were more viable than ore recycling and “stronger ore recycling that doesn’t occupy or drain resource patches”.


Don't get me wrong, I do care that there's another side to the ...

... how you calculate the 4% yield difference, is it on the mined coal ? To me it appears much higer when you compare only the last step of recycling, where you have roughly 50% chance of quality upgrade if you use cryoplant to make the plastic from rare coal, even using epic coal, only 50 ...

... a world filled with rogue turrets, biters, maybe a few spidertrons and tanks, all shooting at each other and the player. There will be scraps recycling to legendary buildings while spawning tough living enemies when recycled.

With the omnipresence of railguns and explosive rockets, there will be ...

... how you calculate the 4% yield difference, is it on the mined coal ? To me it appears much higer when you compare only the last step of recycling, where you have roughly 50% chance of quality upgrade if you use cryoplant to make the plastic from rare coal, even using epic coal, only 50 ...

... a world filled with rogue turrets, biters, maybe a few spidertrons and tanks, all shooting at each other and the player. There will be scraps recycling to legendary buildings while spawning tough living enemies when recycled.

With the omnipresence of railguns and explosive rockets, there will be ...

... which % of accuracy. The logical fallacy is there for you only if you don't understand probabilites and law of large numbers.


And while ore recycling might be the next go-to “simple” quality method, it actually has consequences. Unstrategic use of ore recycling will drain resource patches ...

... from a youtuber. And they use it in their games to essentially erase the complexity and depth of the quality mechanic at no cost.

And while ore recycling might be the next go-to “simple” quality method, it actually has consequences. Unstrategic use of ore recycling will drain resource patches ...

Agreed. Legendary science is like Chekhov's gun. If it exists, it should find a use. It's more canon than recycling grenades or blue undergrounds :)


For me it's a bit deeper. There's a logical fallacy in assuming you have an infinite amount of resources and the law of large numbers will somehow ...

... something to make up for it. ( judging by the amount of views and interaction people have with space casinos, spreadsheet, discussions and so on).


Agreed. Legendary science is like Chekhov's gun. If it exists, it should find a use. It's more canon than recycling grenades or blue undergrounds :)

... were based on an unbeaconed upcycler, so there is plenty of room all around the building for very many input belts. And yes, I know that ore recycling is typically slightly beaconed, and I did test it with that. But I left the upcyclers unbeaconed. Perhaps if I also beaconed the upcyclers to ...

... and labs for big drills and biolabs, most turrets, recyclers… All don’t rely strictly on iron plates, they require gears and/or pipes. So the recycling loss isn’t even guaranteed to occur, you can keep a lot of the iron in the form of gears or pipes.


And then realize the red belt cycle is ...

... doesn’t sound right. At which levels of mining productivity does this occur? I can maybe see underground pipe casting getting surpassed by ore recycling after several hundred levels, but I doubt blue undergrounds would be surpassed until at least level 1000 or something. Otherwise, upcyclers have ...

... doesn’t sound right. At which levels of mining productivity does this occur? I can maybe see underground pipe casting getting surpassed by ore recycling after several hundred levels, but I doubt blue undergrounds would be surpassed until at least level 1000 or something. Otherwise, upcyclers have ...

... concrete… Surely with these, it’s easier to see how they have more substance than asteroid rerolling. Which, again, is basically the same as ore recycling but with a return rate of >40% instead of 25%.


I agree with the recipes you mentioned being interesting, but right now the game is ill ...

... concrete… Surely with these, it’s easier to see how they have more substance than asteroid rerolling. Which, again, is basically the same as ore recycling but with a return rate of >40% instead of 25%.


I agree with the recipes you mentioned being interesting, but right now the game is ill ...