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Posted: **Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:25 pm**

Some time ago I made a very huge facility for automated producing of rocket defenses, when I realize that I can't assembly them in the machine.
Now in 0.11.5 it's possible, so I completed it! Now it makes about one Rocket Defense per hour.
All possible assembling machines and furnances are fully filled with the efficency modules 3.

Some screens from my map:

Screens

Posted: **Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:49 am**

i ****ing love train networks.

Thats really cool, i would totally do it also... Just because i can

Posted: **Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:10 pm**

That's impressively awesome!

Posted: **Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:10 pm**

This is pretty damn awesome! What is your total power usage?

Posted: **Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:12 pm**

Xterminator wrote: What is your total power usage?

It's something about 210 MW now. I expanded the factory today.

Posted: **Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:29 pm**

I guess it's time to introduce universal metric to rate factory power, measured in RDH (Rocket Defenses per Hour)

Here we can see 1 RDH factory.

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:03 am**

User_Name wrote:I guess it's time to introduce universal metric to rate factory power, measured in RDH (Rocket Defenses per Hour)

Here we can see 1 RDH factory.

New challange

, 60 RDH

, and go

!

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:13 pm**

Rage wrote:
User_Name wrote:I guess it's time to introduce universal metric to rate factory power, measured in RDH (Rocket Defenses per Hour)

Here we can see 1 RDH factory.
New challange , 60 RDH , and go !

inB4 1 Rocket Defense per Second factory.

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:31 pm**

We tested our calculations by using 1 rd×Hz

It was scary some 25k assembly 3 making green circuits etc

When I get access to the math I'll get a better answer, the hard part would be routing the whole thing

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:17 pm**

LordFedora wrote:We tested our calculations by using 1 rd×Hz

It was scary some 25k assembly 3 making green circuits etc

When I get access to the math I'll get a better answer, the hard part would be routing the whole thing

Logistics bot would be the relatively easy way, granted you would need thousands of bots but it would be easier than trying to route belts. One way might be to over produce the intermediates and uses trains to move it around, and then bots to load and unload.

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:59 pm**

to make 1 Rocket defense

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Petroleum Gas 	4425
Coal	          1590
Iron Plate	    5103
Copper plate 	 8628
Alien artifacts   100

edit update mist out items.

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:46 pm**

Lee_newsum wrote:to make 1 Rocket defense
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Petroleum Gas 	3710
Coal	          1370
Iron Plate	    3755
Copper plate 	 6428

What are these numbers?

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:49 pm**

User_Name wrote:
Lee_newsum wrote:to make 1 Rocket defense
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Petroleum Gas 	3710
Coal	          1370
Iron Plate	    3755
Copper plate 	 6428
What are these numbers?

what you need to make 1 Rocket defense down to the low think( or 4 bast items)

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:03 pm**

i guarantee those numbers are wrong, as the raw items to craft it by hand are

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2.26 days
33k iron
73k copper
100 artifacts
24k plastic
2.9k blue circuits
200 explosives

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:09 pm**

https://forums.factorio.com/wiki/inde ... et_defense

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:15 pm**

LordFedora wrote:i guarantee those numbers are wrong, as the raw items to craft it by hand are
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2.26 days
33k iron
73k copper
100 artifacts
24k plastic
2.9k blue circuits
200 explosives

33???
73???
plastic is Coal and Petroleum Gas x3
Processing unit can down to a lot
ect
so if I can do it all in hand I wold need

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Petroleum Gas 	4425
Coal	          1590
Iron Plate	    5103
Copper plate 	 8628
Alien artifacts   100

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:04 pm**

Your math is wrong. This is what the in-game popup says (basically the same as ssilk's link shows)

And since processing units can't be made in hand, those 33k iron and 73k copper may not even include the copper and iron needed for those (I'm too lazy and don't care enough to do that math right now)

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:06 pm**

Ok, i got my demand generator working and set to look only at vanilla (part of why it wasn't working before)

(note, it's using basic oil atm, because we don't know how to tell it that that isn't the best way to do it)

note: i don't trust any of this atm, as there is still bugs to be found

17 steel/electric furnaces on iron
8 on steel
15 on copper

and (if i remember how this works) 122 depleted oil pump jacks (obs less for non-depleted)

sslik, the wiki says that the 2.7k blue circuits are "unneeded" (or something to that effect) forgetting that blue circuits are used in the making of both tier 2 and tier 3 modules

EDIT

Your math is wrong. This is what the in-game popup says (basically the same as ssilk's link shows)

and my math (T_T)

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:08 pm**

I don't know how you calculated your numbers, but they can not be correct. In case you didn't see, the raw materials for hand crafting are all given in multiples of thousend items.
I have done some Math by myself and calculated some numbers for you:

As Intermediate Products you need 100 Artifacts, 2850 Processing Units, 3070 Advanced Circuits, 180 Electric Circuits, 300 Iron, 150 Copper, 200 Coal and 200 Sulfur.
If you produce this without the use of Productivity Modules you will need 100 Artifact, 75k Iron Ore, 129k Copper Ore, 17k Plastic, 1.6k Sulfur, 200 Coal (+~9k for Plastic)
If you produce evereything in a mk3 assembler and fill them all with 4x Productivity 3 Modules you will only need 100 Artifact, 31k Iron Ore, 39k Copper Ore, 10k Plastic, 1k Sulfur, 200 Coal (+~5k for Plastic)

I also take a look at the rates for poduction of Plastics and Sulfur, if you have use advanced oil procesing, crack every biproduct and have all slots filled with productivity modules you will need 11.2k Crude Oil per RocketDefense.

And last but not least the count of Mining Drills and depleted Pumpjacks needed to feed a 60 TDH factory: 980 Iron, 1235 Copper, 1870 Pumpjack, 140 Coal

If you want to reconstruct me calculations, here are my notes:

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1RD
50SM3 50PM3 150AC 100PU 100R
(1250PU 1320AC 80EC) (1500PU 1600AC 100EC) 100AF 150AC 100PU (300FE 150CU 200EX)
100AF 2850PU 3070AC 180EC 300FE 150CU 200EX
100AF 2850PU 3070AC 180EC 300FE 150CU (200CO 200SU)
Without Modules:
100AF (57000EC 5700AC 1425SA) 3070AC 180EC 300FE 150CU (200CO 200SU)
100AF 57000EC 8770AC (285FE 1425SU) 180EC 300FE 150CU 200CO 200SU
100AF 57000EC (17540EC 17540PLA 35080CUC) 180EC 585FE 150CU 200CO 1625SU
100AF 74720EC 17540PLA 35080CUC 585FE 150CU 200CO 1625SU
100AF (74720FE 224160CUC) 17540PLA 35080CUC 585FE 150CU 200CO 1625SU
100AF 75305FE 259240CUC 17540PLA 150CU 200CO 1625SU
100AF 75305FE 259240CUC 17540PLA 150CU 200CO 1625SU
100AF 75305FE 129770CU 17540PLA 200CO 1625SU
-> 100 Artifact, 75k Iron Ore, 129k Copper Ore, 17k Plastic, 1.6k Sulfur, 200 Coal (+~9k for Plastic)
With Modules:
100AF (40715EC 4072AC 1018SA) 3070AC 180EC 300FE 150CU (200CO 200SU)
100AF 1049SU 200CO 40895EC 7142AC 470FE 150CU
100AF 1049SU 200CO 40895EC (10203EC 10203PLA 20405CUC) 470FE 150CU
100AF 1049SU 200CO 51098EC 10203PLA 20405CUC 470FE 150CU
100AF 1049SU 200CO (36499FE 109496CUC) 10203PLA 20405CUC 470FE 150CU
100AF 1049SU 200CO 36969FE 10203PLA 129900CUC 150CU
100AF 1049SU 200CO 36969FE 10203PLA 46544CU 
100AF 1049SU 200CO 10203PLA 30808FE Ore 38787CU Ore 
-> 100 Artifact, 31k Iron Ore, 39k Copper Ore, 10k Plastic, 1k Sulfur, 200 Coal (+~5k for Plastic)
=> Safes 44k Iron Ore (-58.70%) and 90k Copper Ore (-69.7%)

Chemical Plants:
10 Crude Oil
6.6 PG + 5.4 LO + 1.2 HO
6.6 PG + 5.4 LO + 1.08 LO = 6.6 PG + 6.48 LO
6.6 PG + 5.184 PG = 11.784 PG

10203PLA = 4242CO + 12754PG = 4242CO + 10851 Crude Oil
1049SU = 437PG =  371 Crude Oil
=> ~1k depleted Pumpjack with speed Modules

-> 100 Artifact, 31k Iron Ore, 39k Copper Ore, 11222k Crude Oil, 4442 Coal
=> per Second: 516 Iron Ore, 650 Copper Ore, 187 Crude Oil, 74 Coal
=> Miner: 980 Iron, 1235 Copper, 1870 Pumpjack, 140 Coal
=> With Modules(Prod/Speed): 1370/392 Iron, 1728/494 Copper, 103/30 Coal, useless/935 Pumpjack

Posted: **Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:16 pm**

That's all nice and solid numbercrunching, but now somebody build it

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