[MOD 0.16] Miniloader

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Unexpected behavior/bug: backlogging although same speed

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Hey Therax,

thanks for this great mod. By now I use it in all my singleplayer games.

I found a case where the miniloaders seem to misbehave. In this case they seem to not load at full speed.

The setup to reproduce the misbehavior is like this:
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Setup from left to right:
1. A chest filled with any type of item.
2. A miniloader for unloading onto the belt, but initially oriented the wrong way.
3. A belt of some length, so that you can clearly observe what is going on on the belt.
4. A miniloader for loading into an
5. Empty chest

Steps to reproduce:
1. Rotate the LEFT miniloader, so that it unloads onto the belt.

Observed behavior = expected behavior: Left minoloader unloads and right miniloader loads at full speed (45 units/s).

2. Rotate the RIGHT miniloader, so that it stops loading into the chest.
3. Rotate the RIGHT miniloader, so that it loads into the chest again.

Observed behavior != expected behavior: The items on the lower lane of the belt are backlogging. (Rotate the LEFT miniloader, so that it stops unloading onto the belt, to get a clearer view of this behavior, while the belt empties.)

I use the mod for some game time now, but this is the first time I notice this behavior. So it seems to be no biggie. Anyways, I hope this report helps.

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Re: Unexpected behavior/bug: backlogging although same speed

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Impatient wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:22 am
Observed behavior != expected behavior: The items on the lower lane of the belt are backlogging. (Rotate the LEFT miniloader, so that it stops unloading onto the belt, to get a clearer view of this behavior, while the belt empties.)
Are you running the latest version (1.8.3)?
Miniloader — UPS-friendly 1x1 loaders
Bulk Rail Loaders — Rapid train loading and unloading
Beltlayer & Pipelayer — Route items and fluids freely underground

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Re: Unexpected behavior/bug: backlogging although same speed

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No I was not. It was 1.8.2. After updating to 1.8.3 the behavior is always the expected one. Thanks! :-)

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Re: [MOD 0.16] Miniloader

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hi!

I ran into the uneven loading bug again. This time with a red miniloader that loads a chest from a full blue belt. Rotating the red miniloader twice makes it load at different speeds from the two lanes.
This time I checked to have the latest version of miniloader (1.8.3). When trying to trigger this behavior, it works maybe 1 out of 10 attempts. It seems the 2 loading speeds are 18-12.

I attached a save where it happened. The save has a build for blueprinting and testing, so there are some mods needed. You just need Creative Items (and Nixie Tubes if you want to see the throughput numbers).

Cheers!
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Re: [MOD 0.16] Miniloader

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Impatient wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:08 pm
hi!

I ran into the uneven loading bug again. This time with a red miniloader that loads a chest from a full blue belt. Rotating the red miniloader twice makes it load at different speeds from the two lanes.
This time I checked to have the latest version of miniloader (1.8.3). When trying to trigger this behavior, it works maybe 1 out of 10 attempts. It seems the 2 loading speeds are 18-12.

I attached a save where it happened. The save has a build for blueprinting and testing, so there are some mods needed. You just need Creative Items (and Nixie Tubes if you want to see the throughput numbers).

Cheers!
This may happen if you use a miniloader of one tier with a mis-matched belt tier. The inserter timings get unpredictable and I don't promise consistent results.
Miniloader — UPS-friendly 1x1 loaders
Bulk Rail Loaders — Rapid train loading and unloading
Beltlayer & Pipelayer — Route items and fluids freely underground

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Re: [MOD 0.16] Miniloader

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when i rotate miniloader that have item on it bc it went wrong way i get that error. only i can do is remove it then rebuild it ...but cant rotate it when stuff is in miniloader ( sorry about my english hope you do understand what i m explaining.)is there a fix?Image

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Re: [MOD 0.16] Miniloader

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Isabella690 wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:39 pm
when i rotate miniloader that have item on it bc it went wrong way i get that error. only i can do is remove it then rebuild it ...but cant rotate it when stuff is in miniloader ( sorry about my english hope you do understand what i m explaining.)is there a fix?Image
What other mods are you running? Looking at the second Miniloader from the right, I can see both arrows pointed right and arrows pointed up. That should never be possible and I think probably another mod broke it.
Miniloader — UPS-friendly 1x1 loaders
Bulk Rail Loaders — Rapid train loading and unloading
Beltlayer & Pipelayer — Route items and fluids freely underground

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Re: [MOD 0.16] Miniloader

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I also get that same error; chutes seem to rotate themselves at random when not on screen, with no modded entities interacting with them. Trying to rotate them manually causes the crash.

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Changes in next version of Factorio that may affect mod Miniloader

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Hey Therax!

As your great mod is vital to almost all my games, I want to notify you about an upcoming change in factorio, that may affect the mod, in case you did not yet catch the news.

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Cheers!

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