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I want to make a map that's reflected or rotated about a central axis, kind of don't mind if it's a 180degree rotation or a pure left/right or up/down reflection with things being as random as normal in the other directions, I'd like to make a team vs that team thing in 0.15 and want it to be as fair as possible, a quick hunt through mods for map tools and google search didn't help so here's to crowd power.

to make a mirrored map, you will need lua script either by mods or by custom scenario.

The code for each solution is the same.

I don't have a complete ready code for that but it will be roughly that :

That approach won't really work - if the chunk on one side was already generated and team A already explored it and mined all the resources there, then when team B reach the corresponding chunk it won't have any resources on it

Maintain a global table that remembers the contents of any generated chunk that hasn't yet been mirrored.

When either side discovers a new chunk, if it's in the table then mirror it over whatever they just explored and remove it from the table. If it's not then put what they just explored/generated in the table to be mirrored when the other team explores their equivalent chunk.

I guess it could be done by If chunk is x<0 generate chunk (-x,y) at position (x,y) it doesn't have to be the same positions (though one side of the map will look messed up doing it that way) though I'm not a Lua/modding expert

I could also pregenerate the world a huge amount and then after say 1000 chunks it doesn't really matter, the teams are either exploring that far and will go until they find what they want or they're not and it doesn't matter

Or generate both sides at the same time even if they're not explored by both teams

I think both those approaches will lead to a patchwork map where some chunks are copied from left to right and some are copied from right to left, or will result in the contents of chunks changing after they've been generated.

If you get the event for the generation of a chunk on the left side, you can request generation of the corresponding chunk on the right side, and then when you get the event that it's been generated you can copy the left chunk to the right chunk. But if you get the event for the right side first, you'd want to request generation of the left side, and *then* copy the left side to the right side. Whether anyone would notice the chunk change I'm not sure; they get generated when they're still out of view, so that might be okay?

It would definitely be easier for this to be implemented inside the game engine, though. It should be very straightforward to just have the actual mapgen algorithm mirror one or both axes to produce a map with two identical sides or four identical corners, and while it would potentially look slightly odd along the axes it would still "join up" neatly with no discontinuities. Maybe a good feature request for PVP games?

torne wrote:That approach won't really work - if the chunk on one side was already generated and team A already explored it and mined all the resources there, then when team B reach the corresponding chunk it won't have any resources on it

Yeah I wrote this answer quickly as I were not home. I think about it a later the problem when other team edit the chunk, better keep a table or generate rigth chunk when left chunk are generated (you can generated unrevealed chunk).

don't know if the OP can do lua though.

I can do a little programming but this is way out of my depth I think, event listeners and interupts is way way beyond me I can write pseudo code though and having had the input (and been told it hasn't been done already) I've come up with this
which I know has a Lua like quality to it but it needs to override the built in function and be run constantly and probably put in a mod to work, so I might give up and go to the request a mod/game feature fora thought it'd be 'Oh there's already a tool for that go to obscure location' but never mind thanks anyways

It's a bit more tricky than that because the "generate chunk" function in the game doesn't do it right away; it just puts it in a queue for the game to process when it has time. So, you can't do this as a single function that executes in a straightforward sequence - you have to just ask to generate the other chunk and then exit, and then separately listen for the event about that other chunk's generation having completed.

This is what I meant when I said it will result in the contents of chunks changing after they've been generated: if you're traveling fast in a car into ungenerated territory on the side of the map that's the "target" for the mirroring, then what might happen is that the game generates a new chunk, the mod function runs, it discovers the "source" chunk hasn't been generated yet and asks for it to be generated, but before the game has generated the "source" chunk to copy, the player might have already reached the point where the "target" chunk is visible on screen, and so the player might actually see the "old" unmirrored version before it changes. I think this probably can only happen if the player is traveling pretty fast, though?

http://lua-api.factorio.com/latest/even ... _generated

Not seeing the issue myself, admittedly.

if you enable sandbox-god mode, via the sandbox scenerio, and rush to the edge, its just partly unloaded/undrawn mess, rather than nothing. However, if a script exists that changes the generation, it shows that mess, until it loads, at which point, in vanilla, it just becomes more detailed, has ore and trees and whatever added, and so on. With the Factorio-world mod, however, it changes to the generated stuff.

Actually, you should steal code from that mod, thinking on it.

Not sure what you mean by "mess", but I think you're missing my point. It's fine if a script uses on_chunk_generated to replace the contents of the chunk with something determined by that script; presumably the game doesn't show the chunk to the player until the event is done being processed by mods? The problem here is that if you get an on_chunk_generated event for chunk (-100, 100) and your mirroring algorithm wants to make that chunk a mirrored copy of whatever is in chunk (100, 100) (i.e. mirroring about the Y axis), then you have to ask the game to generate chunk (100,100) before you can do it. This means you need to return from the on_chunk_generated function for (-100, 100), at which point the game might show the contents of that chunk to the player. You can't do the mirroring until you get the *subsequent* on_chunk_generated for (100, 100), which might not be right away.

I'm working on a mod to do this.

I am pretty sure you can force the game to load a chunk. Hence, yes, it should occur at the same time.

You can call request_to_generate_chunks but when I experimented with this while writing a different mod, it seems like it doesn't always happen immediately.

https://mods.factorio.com/mods/sparr/world-mirror

It's functional and usable, but not perfect yet. By default it will mirror left/right. There's an option to mirror top/bottom as well. Also it offsets the mirroring by 4 chunks (configurable). Without the offset, the starting resources/water get wiped out too often.

Known problems: does not mirror decoratives. misbehaves if you cause conflicting chunk generation requests at the same time.

Thanks a lot this seems to work wonders but can I turn the debug off? and I've found a small bug with y-axis flip

JohnyDL wrote:Thanks a lot this seems to work wonders but can I turn the debug off? and I've found a small bug with y-axis flip

Sorry about the debug output. I'll have it turned off in the next release.

Regarding that error, I have no idea what would cause that. I've posted elsewhere in the forums about it. I would recommend investigating if you are using any other mods that create new entity types that might be poorly defined around the movement property.

Fixed the debug output and that error. Uploaded v0.15.1 to the mod portal. Let me know if you have other problems?

Thanks a lot using it now in a world not had any issues at all

getting a few odd things happen as I explore a little more, Ore and trees reflect perfectly never seen a problem there and terrain looks like it mirrors completely correctly but I don't know if you can tell from the map but water ends up with shallows on the chunk boundaries probably where deep water is copied into a chunk where land is bordering it, it doesn't seem that spawners copy at all (although that might be cause I have expansion turned off on this world) and biters if they copy don't always copy (they mirrored partly south east to south west, and less so south west to north west but none ended up in the north east quadrant don't know where they'd be copied from) and finally that huge 4 chunk strip on the right is unexplorable I've walked right up to it and not been able to go there, like maps with limited height and width