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yeah.... like topic says, too many smart people here to "waste" my own time and headache haha

1 boiler to 2 engines

2 boilers - 5 engines works fine in my game

Ohz wrote:2 boilers - 5 engines works fine in my game

Not on full load.

im testing with 7boilers to 10 steam engine. not sure its 100% since i can only monitor the workload during night when the solar panels are off

It was said by devs - 1 boiler to 2 engines exactly.

PacifyerGrey wrote:It was said by devs - 1 boiler to 2 engines exactly.

ahh okey, sweet! thanks

1 pump = 20 boiler with 2 steam engine for 1 boiler.

More boiler and they will not have enough water, nearly no water in fact.

More engine per boiler make the third engine and those after it not working at all.

1 pump support enough steam engine (40) for 38MW !

On a related thing, the amount of coal used seem to have increased a lot? My burner inserters seem to work full time now.

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Daid wrote:On a related thing, the amount of coal used seem to have increased a lot? My burner inserters seem to work full time now.

They use more, but I don't think much more than they did before. It's just that you only need 5 boilers for 10 engines now, when before you needed 14 so they single boiler is chugging down about 3x the coal a single boiler did before.

5thHorseman wrote:

Daid wrote:On a related thing, the amount of coal used seem to have increased a lot? My burner inserters seem to work full time now.

They use more, but I don't think much more than they did before. It's just that you only need 5 boilers for 10 engines now, when before you needed 14 so they single boiler is chugging down about 3x the coal a single boiler did before.

You also get nearly double the power from each engine (it's 900 kW now)

With the increased power output and less boilers, it makes sense.

Does anyone else feel the 2:1 ratio is a bit boring? Now you just put 1 pump, a row of boilers, and engines directly connected to it. No room for optimalization.

2.3:1 might have been a better fit. Then you can do:
2:1 - Shortage of 0.3 engine
3:1 - Wastes 0.7 engine
5:2 - Wastes 0.4 engine
7:3 - Shortage of 0.1 engine
9:4 - Shortage of 0.2 engine
14:6 - Wastes 0.2 engine
16:7 - Shortage of 0.1 engine
23:10 - Perfect.

So if you want to pull the maximum out of everything, you get a lot of pluming.

I don't really think older balance was any more interesting. 99% of the time, I just had 14 boilers + 10 engines in a blueprint I'd spam as needed. Changing it to 1:2 didn't make it any less boring imho.

Actually I think as well that it doesn't matter if it is 1:2 or whatever else. 1:2 makes it easier though to get the ratio straight, which wasn't possible before without wasting at least a little bit.

And when it comes to the layouts there are more possible solutions now than before.

Before 0.15 it almost always resulted in a line of boilers followed by a line of Steam Engines behind them.

But now you have a choice of either placing the Steam Engines after the line of boilers (basically like 0.14) ... or perpendicular to it due to the perpendicular Steam output.

That makes it a little bit more interesting with what setups people will come up with to make the most energy out of a shoreline or in relation to other design goals.

pump : boiler : steam engine
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probably going to use this setup for the starting base...

when you get up further in the tech tree you're probably going to progress to other power means...

so really doesn't matter if it more boring or not...

like before 0.15 everyone was doing solar spam etc... =P

dougtheduck wrote:like before 0.15 everyone was doing solar spam etc... =P

you've seen everyone base ? There are a lot of people that don't use solar. And the new nuclear can't be used efficiently only by itself.

Neemys wrote:

dougtheduck wrote:like before 0.15 everyone was doing solar spam etc... =P

you've seen everyone base ? There are a lot of people that don't use solar. And the new nuclear can't be used efficiently only by itself.

sorry... Correction... Majority of people I play with.... >_<

Neemys wrote:

dougtheduck wrote:like before 0.15 everyone was doing solar spam etc... =P

you've seen everyone base ? There are a lot of people that don't use solar. And the new nuclear can't be used efficiently only by itself.

I am one of those who never used Solar Power at all.

you could do perpendicular connection to boilers in 14.22 as well. just noticed it in my new game. (no rush for upgrade to 0.15; still got lots of the normal stuff to learn...)