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Cross-server unique IDs for players
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:39 pm
by ojrask
Note: I have not created or attempted to create any mods for Factorio as of now, but it seems the following is missing:
Persistent cross-server/game session account identifiers for players (e.g. how Steam IDs work).
Main usages: moddable hacker/griefer/idiot prevention, external stats systems for communities, server whitelists/blacklists in external services, and so on.
Can the game expose a unique value of a player account (per game license) in the Lua API? Currently, the only one that somewhat relates to this is the player name, which can be changed it seems.
You can compare player uniqueness during a single session, but if the server is restarted or a player moves to another server then that solution leads nowhere when considering persistence across sessions and servers.
Re: Cross-server unique IDs for players
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:59 pm
by aubergine18
If I'm not mistaken, servers can already be set up to use factorio.com account?
Re: Cross-server unique IDs for players
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:45 pm
by ojrask
aubergine18 wrote:If I'm not mistaken, servers can already be set up to use factorio.com account?
I'm not sure what you mean. If a server is set up to use a factorio.com account, will some unique identifier be available to the Lua interface? If not, then the official API description does not state that. If you mean that the server accepts only players that have a factorio.com account, that does not solve the issue stated in the original post (what if I would like to create a service outside factorio.com that lists player stats and so on?).
Semi-off-topic: I also heard that the Lua API does not allow network connections, which makes some of the use cases I listed in the original post less feasible unless the Lua API talks to the file system and an external file system polling service reads and forwards data via networks elsewhere. Not a deal-breaker but does complicate things a bit.
Re: Cross-server unique IDs for players
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:08 pm
by daniel34
ojrask wrote:aubergine18 wrote:If I'm not mistaken, servers can already be set up to use factorio.com account?
I'm not sure what you mean. If a server is set up to use a factorio.com account, will some unique identifier be available to the Lua interface? If not, then the official API description does not state that. If you mean that the server accepts only players that have a factorio.com account, that does not solve the issue stated in the original post (what if I would like to create a service outside factorio.com that lists player stats and so on?).
If the server is set up to verify user identity then you can use the player name as unique identifier, as they will only be able to use the username they are registered as and to change that they would have to email support. If you disable this verification then anyone with a Factorio build can connect to your server with any username and there's no way for Factorio to know if it's the same player.
ojrask wrote:Semi-off-topic: I also heard that the Lua API does not allow network connections, which makes some of the use cases I listed in the original post less feasible unless the Lua API talks to the file system and an external file system polling service reads and forwards data via networks elsewhere. Not a deal-breaker but does complicate things a bit.
The API doesn't support network connections (or reading files from disk) for the obvious reason that it would desync the game very fast. The easy way to get data out of a running save is to write them to disk and periodically read it with an external tool. The other way is to have Factorio communicate with an external process using RCON, which lets you run commands silently and is also able to ban/kick/mute/promote other players.
Factorio also has a banlist file (banlist.json) which is automatically used for all maps on that particular server.
Re: Cross-server unique IDs for players
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:05 pm
by ojrask
daniel34 wrote:ojrask wrote:aubergine18 wrote:snip
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If the server is set up to verify user identity then you can use the player name as unique identifier, as they will only be able to use the username they are registered as and to change that they would have to email support. If you disable this verification then anyone with a Factorio build can connect to your server with any username and there's no way for Factorio to know if it's the same player.
ojrask wrote:snip
The API doesn't support network connections (or reading files from disk) for the obvious reason that it would desync the game very fast. The easy way to get data out of a running save is to write them to disk and periodically read it with an external tool. The other way is to have Factorio communicate with an external process using RCON, which lets you run commands silently and is also able to ban/kick/mute/promote other players.
Factorio also has a banlist file (banlist.json) which is automatically used for all maps on that particular server.
So the username actually
is a unique identifier when server joins are restricted to factorio.com accounts? That simplifies things a bit.
The Lua API cannot read but can write, or did I misunderstand something? Mods have a global state, but where is that state saved, and can it be saved manually or does it need a server reboot to persist?
Many open issues for this. banlist.json solves some problems when it comes to global ban lists and griefer prevention, but collecting stats and other data for players in an external service this seems a bit complicated.
Need to checkout RCON if that could be of any assistance, thanks for the pointer.
Re: Cross-server unique IDs for players
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:47 pm
by daniel34
ojrask wrote:The Lua API cannot read but can write, or did I misunderstand something?
That's correct. The reason for this is that writing to disk doesn't change the gamestate at all and doesn't have any consequences, but if you read from disk and a client reads different data this can/will lead to a desync.
ojrask wrote:Mods have a global state, but where is that state saved, and can it be saved manually or does it need a server reboot to persist?
Mods can store persistent data in the
global table. Every mod has its own global table (mods can't see each others globals) and it is only valid for that particular save. Everything in that table gets automatically saved to the save.zip and loaded again when loading that save, without the mod author having to do anything. It is persistent for the whole lifetime of the savegame (unless you remove that mod) and not affected by server reboots.