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				Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:22 am
				by UncleGus
				Is the object of this mission speed? Because I can't seem to quite get my defenses established before I get steamrolled by near-invincible Behemoth biters. Is it just really hard on Hardcore difficulty? Because I had no problems with any of the previous missions. I tried researching straight for the plane tech and got steamrolled. I tried putting resources into keeping turrets armed and got steamrolled. I tried making solar panels to reduce pollution and got steamrolled. I tried making laser turrets and got steamrolled. I tried making capsule tech and got steamrolled. What's the trick?
			 
			
					
				Re: Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:16 pm
				by Koub
				Must admit I have never tried the campaign 

 Maybe should I give it a try.
 
			
					
				Re: Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:28 pm
				by DaveMcW
				UncleGus wrote:Is it just really hard on Hardcore difficulty? 
There are no Behemoth biters on Normal difficulty.
 
			
					
				Re: Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:14 pm
				by UncleGus
				Oh, I see. Well, that would certainly help. But normal difficulty is the lowest setting. What about oldschool difficulty? And is the a way to change the setting in a save game? I don't fancy starting again.
			 
			
					
				Re: Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:26 pm
				by DaveMcW
				Ok, I just checked hardcore in 0.12.24 - no behemoth biters there either.  How long exactly does it take for them to show up?
			 
			
					
				Re: Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:43 pm
				by UncleGus
				Maybe an hour or so?
			 
			
					
				Re: Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:26 am
				by UncleGus
				Okay, so I installed the steam version then loaded my game. I saw that the version number jumped up a couple of minor versions, so I restarted the level. This time I have got much further than before and no behemoths. I have stacks of laser turrets in place and I should be all set to build the plane shortly.
So maybe just an issue with the map design that was fixed or something?
			 
			
					
				Re: Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:58 am
				by UncleGus
				Spoke too soon. 1hr10min and steamrolled by Behemoths again.
			 
			
					
				Re: Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:23 am
				by DaveMcW
				I guess it is a scenario design problem.  You don't get the tech needed to fight behemoths, because they didn't exist when it was designed.
One thing you can try is efficiency modules everywhere, to reduce pollution and slow the biter evolution.
			 
			
					
				Re: Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:56 am
				by UncleGus
				Okay, so I just finished it. Turns out it's the final level of the campaign too. In the end, I just had to really step up my production game and be really efficient. It was a very valuable level to play in that sense because it forced me to iterate, learn and improve. I actually managed to fend off two waves of Behemoths in the end. I found a second wreck that had more laser turrets in it; that was significant. And I also managed to research laser turrets and the improvements up to level 3 as well, and they were quite good against the Behemoths.
So that's the campaign completed. On Hardcore difficulty. Right, now I'm ready for freeplay.
			 
			
					
				Re: Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:22 pm
				by vanatteveldt
				By the sound of it you are (way) more than ready for freeplay 

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Welcome to Factorio!
 
			
					
				Re: Plane mission - what am I doing wrong?
				Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:52 am
				by painting4
				we have planes now?