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wizcreations wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:21 pm I keep seeing beacons placed adjacent to each other. What happened to the beacon nerf that required them to be spaced out?

Thornkiddnaper wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:05 pm The whole new bitter nest capturing and egg mechanics look very nice. However I do kinda dislike the productivity module 3 requiring the eggs. To me it doesn't seem rewarding but kinda punishing (and maybe a little scummy) because it just feels like... rather than making the Gleba stuff better, the already existing stuff is made more difficult. Also, I now see Gleba as a bit forced (instead of motivating) with the 2 best tier 3 modules (productivity and rarity) being locked behind it. I think it could be improved by:
-the eggs used for making tier 3 efficiency (or speed) modules rather than productivity (thought i doubt it would be as desired, and there might already be recipe changes to them)
-the productivity modules having 2 recipes: one very cheap requiring eggs and the other being expensive but without eggs (this would solve runs without enemies)
-adding a 4th tier that requires eggs and having the 3rd tier be without eggs (depending on the productivity gain with rarity it would likely be overkill, maybe even capping the 300 productivity limit)
That's my input about the latest FFF.

Upserter wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:18 pm Looking forward to isolating my biter production area from the main base, with inward-facing turrets, just in case!

CyberCider wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:33 pm

Thornkiddnaper wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:05 pm The whole new bitter nest capturing and egg mechanics look very nice. However I do kinda dislike the productivity module 3 requiring the eggs. To me it doesn't seem rewarding but kinda punishing (and maybe a little scummy) because it just feels like... rather than making the Gleba stuff better, the already existing stuff is made more difficult. Also, I now see Gleba as a bit forced (instead of motivating) with the 2 best tier 3 modules (productivity and rarity) being locked behind it. I think it could be improved by:
-the eggs used for making tier 3 efficiency (or speed) modules rather than productivity (thought i doubt it would be as desired, and there might already be recipe changes to them)
-the productivity modules having 2 recipes: one very cheap requiring eggs and the other being expensive but without eggs (this would solve runs without enemies)
-adding a 4th tier that requires eggs and having the 3rd tier be without eggs (depending on the productivity gain with rarity it would likely be overkill, maybe even capping the 300 productivity limit)
That's my input about the latest FFF.

From the beginning of the announcements, we’ve known that some existing techs would be moved to the new planets, and T3 modules were mentioned as one of them. This isn’t a new decision. Also, the modules are spread evenly across the planets: Productivity on Gleba, speed on Vulcanus (technically unconfirmed but it’s a safe assumption) and quality on Fulgora.
Efficiency… Well we don’t really know the deal with that one. Maybe it’s the only one that isn’t moved, maybe it has some strange reason to be on the final planet. Who knows.

CyberCider wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:33 pm From the beginning of the announcements, we’ve known that some existing techs would be moved to the new planets, and T3 modules were mentioned as one of them. This isn’t a new decision. Also, the modules are spread evenly across the planets: Productivity on Gleba, speed on Vulcanus (technically unconfirmed but it’s a safe assumption) and quality on Fulgora.
Efficiency… Well we don’t really know the deal with that one. Maybe it’s the only one that isn’t moved, maybe it has some strange reason to be on the final planet. Who knows.

Whether we finally broke the imbalance of Vulcanus and Fulgora being clearly superior to Gleba, we will see

vark111 wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 3:25 pm

Whether we finally broke the imbalance of Vulcanus and Fulgora being clearly superior to Gleba, we will see

I don't think you've accomplished the goal here. You've certainly moved the needle, I just don't think enough. Thing is, the super-lab isn't useful in the early-mid game when you're hitting the first 3 planets. Most bases in those early stages are what? 60 SPM? 100 SPM? Super lab vs regular lab in those scales is pointless, you're talking less than 20 labs, regular or otherwise. There's also precious little need for T3 modules at this point in the factory's life.

Now, end game? 10kSPM? Yeah, the super lab and T3 prod modules have clear benefits in that factory. But you aren't getting to that scale until well after hitting all the planets.

Tooster wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 3:43 pm I love it!

The bacteria bit in this FFF ignited an spark of imagination in my head which led to the idea of a new gleba-specific production loop which could hugely beenfit gleba in my opinion and tightly integrate it with the rest of the planets. That idea being... drum roll please...

Growing bacteria strains!

The sketch of the idea goes like this:

- different strains of bacteria produce different amounts of substances. One strain could be superior in producing iron, the other one could produce iron and copper equally while a rare strain could extract and produce uranium from a planet's scarce resources. This would allow getting substances normally not occurring on the planet, for example uranium or sulfuric acid.
- Each strain of bacteria would have it's unique genome which influences it's properties. Just like in genetic algorithms.
- Bacteria would multiply and randomly mutate in biochambers.
- Bacteria strains could be crossed to randomly produce new offspring which shares certain genes of their parents.
- Different strains require different nutrients in different amounts to stay alive.
- Without appropriate nutrients and conditions the bacteria die. Any halts in the factory and nutrient/electricity production lead to the the strain dying, which leads to the loss of progress. It requires players to think of making factory adapt to changing strains and constantly nurturing them. Think of it like a manifestation of a reward for "days without incident" streak.
- bacteria strains could be transported in criochambers to other planets to produce materials which don't normally occur or are very hard to obtain elsewhere. The criochamber tech would be unlocked on the last planet (iirc that the last planet is the cold/frozen one).