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JoshLittle wrote:

n9103 wrote:Definitely coming off a bit caustic there JL.

Also, neither of those belts in the pics is actually balanced, they're just resistant to overflow on one of the sides.

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The belts are not balanced? Really? What is the definition of balanced belts for you?

n9103 wrote:It hurts watching Infectum play.

I mean, seriously...

-root wrote:

You know, coming here and watching Josh rage is nearly as fun as actually playing in the hydra dilemma

JoshLittle wrote:@xterminator:

Use it, please

• Deconstruction planer (bonus: leave it in the place of the toolbelt where it is set to be )
• Fast corners (ok, at the end you found two of them)
• Laser turrets
• Oil barrels for oil storage (ok, the production of barrels could give some trouble now that iron is so short)

12:40 is hard to understand (for me), but I think that was meant to be a comment about my comment which you apparently still misunderstand. But who cares...

For the rest I make a little quiz:

• The stuff in which types of chests are counted in the logistic system?
  provider and storage
• Where is the stuff not counted?
  Examples: Steel/iron/wood/smart/requester chests, while being on transport with robots, before picked up by robots from chests that would normaly count, in the player inventory, in chests outside the reach of the (same or connected) orange area, ...
• How many miners (without modules) are needed to reach the capacity of a slow belt?
  9? It seems to be not a full number. To fill two slow belts 44 miners are around right, but even with a sophisticated compacting technique sometimes it stucks a bit and sometimes there is a single gap. So around 22 miners for one slow belt.
• Which influence has the length of a belt to it's density?
  None!
• If the existing amount of liquid is balanced into a new storage tank, how many additional liquid is all tanks if the new tank "is getting filled up quiet quickly"?
  Short answer: Nothing! Longer answer: shurely are a few units getting pumped in because of the full pipes and the machines at the other end, but not that quickly. After the balancing in a few seconds the amount of free room in the tanks has increased by the room the new tank gives.
• If a slow belt is not completly filled, how many more stuff is transported after every tile of the belt is made out of fast belts?
  Nothing! Speed doubles, density halves, same amount of stuff is arriving at the end as before! If more stuff should arrive, put more of it on the belt. That's the only way!
• What is a bigger waste of ressources? To make
  fast corners
  or to
  speed up the whole belt
  ?
  A fast corner is never a waste of material. A faster belt most of the time.

Bonus question with a pic:

What difference makes the insertion of this splitter

Answer

None!

DerivePi wrote:Considering that the end of line is just around the corner, it makes sense to not worry about setting up another Roboport. Yes, doubling up the wall is fine. Actually, at this point in the game, should biters bother you, just go and clean them out. Besides, both oil bases are unnecessary anymore.

As for lugging the coal to the requester chest, I could see myself do just that. The fact that I'm relying on robots to travel across half my base would have irked me enough to have installed a belt by now. But, I also wouldn't have disconnected coal production in the first place (which was not obsoleted - red card!)

As for watching "the fail" (is that even American English anymore?), due to my schadenfreude, that is what I look forward to! Unfortunately, as can be expected, the players now know how to use empty barrels (properly - anyone know where the barrel went?).

As for speed modules, I totally agree. Their usefulness is limited to Beacons around research, oil wells and ingredients for items (assembler 3, armor, etc...) Productivity Modules are limited to purple potion production. And Effectivity Mods can be replaced with more power generation and biter clean up.

Great series. Thanks to all of you!

JoshLittle wrote:You agree that it had no effect, right? But you also say that it was not already balanced?
Can you resolve that contradiction? I don't understand your point. What am I missing?

• "If 100 items go into a splitter, I want 50 items on the left output belt and 50 items on the right output belt" = The belts are balanced (that's what I am talking about)
• "if 75 items on the left line and 25 items on the right line (on one or two inputs) go into a splitter, I want to have 50 on each line of the output belt" = The lines are balanced (that's what you talk about what a splitter doesn't do)

• The second line could be extended fully to the splitter of the balancer. Without it it could get a traffic jam on one line of the belt before it is balanced.
• You missed one spawner.