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Nexela wrote:

Nexela wrote:

Berkys32 wrote:I dont know why, but Artifact collector cant be picked using "Picker" mod or even build via blueprint or removed with deconstruction planner

As to "picker" This is because the "placed" collector does not have an item-prototype associated with it. I will shoot the author of picker the fix for that shortly.

And I have a fix for blueprint/deconstruction which still allows the range circle but it now shows up as a chest correctly

doktorstick wrote:When constructing a new terraforming building N, how is its effectiveness calculated?

• 1 - 0.15N -- e.g., 0% effectiveness on 7th building
• 1 * 0.85^N -- e.g., 32% effectiveness on 7th building

Cheers.

function GetFactorPerTerraformingStation(numTerraformingStations)
   local res = 1
   -- Calculate the total evolution reduction.
   if numTerraformingStations > 1 then
	for i = 1, (numTerraformingStations-1) do
      res = res + math.pow(0.85, i) -- Each consecutive Terraforming station is only 85% as effective.
	end
   end

   -- Return the evolution reduction per Terraforming Station.
   return res / numTerraformingStations
end

	---- Each time a Terraforming Station scans a sector, reduce the evolution factor ----	
	if event.radar.name == "TerraformingStation" then
   
		reduction = ((0.00025 * global.factormultiplier) * game.evolution_factor * (1 - game.evolution_factor))
		if game.evolution_factor > reduction then
			game.evolution_factor = game.evolution_factor - reduction
			global.Total_TerraformingStations_Evo_Deduction = global.Total_TerraformingStations_Evo_Deduction + reduction
		end
	
	end

Nexela wrote:One fix for picker, one fix for your mod. I still need to do some tweaking to it though. And while I was working with this I found a creative mode mod problem

Wendigo wrote: Recently loaded up a save game from before the large update and got this error. Not too sure if it can be helped.

TheSAguy wrote: ---- Each time a Terraforming Station scans a sector, reduce the evolution factor ----
if event.radar.name == "TerraformingStation" then

reduction = ((0.00025 * global.factormultiplier) * game.evolution_factor * (1 - game.evolution_factor))
if game.evolution_factor > reduction then
game.evolution_factor = game.evolution_factor - reduction
global.Total_TerraformingStations_Evo_Deduction = global.Total_TerraformingStations_Evo_Deduction + reduction
end

end

DerGraue wrote:

TheSAguy wrote: ---- Each time a Terraforming Station scans a sector, reduce the evolution factor ----
if event.radar.name == "TerraformingStation" then

reduction = ((0.00025 * global.factormultiplier) * game.evolution_factor * (1 - game.evolution_factor))
if game.evolution_factor > reduction then
game.evolution_factor = game.evolution_factor - reduction
global.Total_TerraformingStations_Evo_Deduction = global.Total_TerraformingStations_Evo_Deduction + reduction
end

end

So, does this mean that if I reach 100% evoltion factor there will be no reduction anymore? Because (1 - game.evolution_factor) = 1-1 = 0
Also, it's game.evolution_factor * (1 - game.evolution_factor), that means the strongest reduction is always at exactly 50% for a set number of Terraforming Stations, right?

Am I missing something? Because that kinda sounds counterintuitive.

	---- Each time a Terraforming Station scans a sector, reduce the evolution factor ----	
	if event.radar.name == "TerraformingStation" then
   
		reduction = ((0.00025 * global.factormultiplier) * (1 - game.evolution_factor) * (1 - game.evolution_factor))
		reduction95 = ((0.00025 * global.factormultiplier) * (1 - 0.95) * (1 - 0.95))
		
		if game.evolution_factor > 0.95 and  game.evolution_factor > reduction95 then
		
			game.evolution_factor = game.evolution_factor - reduction95
			global.Total_TerraformingStations_Evo_Deduction = global.Total_TerraformingStations_Evo_Deduction + reduction95
			
			
		elseif game.evolution_factor > reduction then
			game.evolution_factor = game.evolution_factor - reduction
			global.Total_TerraformingStations_Evo_Deduction = global.Total_TerraformingStations_Evo_Deduction + reduction
		end

	
	end

TheSAguy wrote:V6.3.1 - NE Expansion - Tweak to deduction after each phase. From (1-Evo) to (1-Evo)^2

DerGraue wrote:

TheSAguy wrote:V6.3.1 - NE Buildings - Tweak to how Terraforming Station reduces Evolution. Changed from Evo * (1-Evo) to (1-Evo)^2

Hmm, I don't like this change really and this is why:
With your mod you normally want a challenge with the biters and you probably want to have a large base.
So let's say, you have a large, working factory that produces some pollution and you have a good number of Terraforming Stations, like 20-30 maybe. At this point you can't really reduce the evolation factor further by building more Terraforming Stations, so the only thing that matters for the evolution factor is the pollution. Now let's assume everything works in your factory, you have enough raw materials and therefore you produce a constant amount of pollution. There are now two possibilities in a timeframe T for every Station to scan obviously:
A: The evolution factor is reduced or B: it increases.

If A is the case than in the following scans the evoltion factor will be reduced even faster, because of (1-Evo)^2. This will go on untill an evolution of ~0% is reached which is also the point where your Terraforming Stations work best.

However if B is the case and your base growths large enough and produces so much polltion that it can't be compensated by the Terraforming Stations then with the following scans in each timeframe T the evolution factor will go up even faster. And faster. Until it reaches over 95% at which point your Terraforming Stations are 0,25% as effective as they where when you were at 0% evolution factor. And the only way to reduce it is basically to shut down your factory.

That's what I don't like. Shortly after the start of the game, you build your Stations -> 0% evolution factor, all the time, you build a large base-> 0%, you build a megabase -> 0%, you build a super mega base, and hit the threshold -> suddenly 100%. Why no linear increase in the effectivity of your Terraforming Stations as the evolution factor goes up? The more pollution, the larger the base, the harder the Aliens. x = Evo, instead of x = (1-Evo)^2

Berkys32 wrote:Im not sure if I understand it right - before I was able to decreas evolution rate, now Im only able to slow its increase?
I like that I can decrease evo. i love the way your mod increases AI and so, but I dont have to have hard fight at all cost, so sometimes I rather shutdown whole factory and wait until evo falls down than fighting tons of biters. Sometimes I just make mistake and pollution rises (like when i accidentaly burned few dozens of chunks with forest) and I want to be able to undo this...
So maybe you could just add option in config wher one can able/disable decrease evo?

Pollution Evolution Factor 2x vanilla - From 0.000015 to 0.000030 – You are penalized for polluting this beautiful alien world! Recycle! Focus on a green factory or the Evolution rate will get out of control.

kocur4d wrote:Can someone share some tips on how to have a green factory?

doktorstick wrote:

kocur4d wrote:Can someone share some tips on how to have a green factory?

Sure, I can tell you what I've done. My evolution has dropped from ~40% down to ~19% since my green factory came online and I have four terraforming units. I'm not using any Bio/Tree-planting/Tree-expanding mods.

I do have a mod called "Red Alert"--it notifies you with voiceovers when your power gets to low or when structures are destroyed. As part of that mod, you build an item (which is effectively a very low storage accumulator) that outputs to the circuit network stored power as a percentage.

I have pumps in front of each boiler stack. I connect the red-alert circuit item to the pumps with the condition of if power < 25% turn on pumps. Currently, they never-ever turn on... solar panels power the factory and charge accumulators during the day and at night, stored power drops to about 33% (the factory still runs at 100%).

The next stage for me would be to shutdown parts of the factory using the logistic network and power switches. For example, if I have a surplus of green circuits, cut power to that entire factory so the standby-power drain isn't used. That's tedious and it isn't needed (at this point).