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Djmixxx wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:08 am I can confirm that it looks like a downed helicopter in Ukraine
There is a photo of two helicopters of the same series in attach.

The series is the same, but the time is clearly not the same. Judging by the suspicion on the tail boom ("ВВС РОССИИ" instead of "ВКС РОССИИ"), this picture was taken before 2015.

MOP3E wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:17 pm

Djmixxx wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:08 am I can confirm that it looks like a downed helicopter in Ukraine
There is a photo of two helicopters of the same series in attach.

The series is the same, but the time is clearly not the same. Judging by the suspicion on the tail boom ("ВВС РОССИИ" instead of "ВКС РОССИИ"), this picture was taken before 2015.

Go ahead and google this picture to prove its 2015

Post about situation from inside of Russia

https://pikabu.ru/story/nablyudeniya_in ... _z_8905876

Google translate needed

MOP3E wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:17 pm The series is the same, but the time is clearly not the same. Judging by the suspicion on the tail boom ("ВВС РОССИИ" instead of "ВКС РОССИИ"), this picture was taken before 2015.

Picture which I am post is from 2018. Still ВВС

Do you have foto of real MI helicopter form Ukraina now? How it look?

ssilk wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:00 am

ravage666 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:43 am its a learning experience for me.
Would you consider deleting this topic at the end of the conflict?

I can’t speak for Koub, but as I know him I think he and me won’t delete it. It’s already part of history, that cannot/should not be denied. My deep belief is, that mankind needs to learn from events like this to survive of what might come. Deleting this means to remove this chance for learning. It would be the same as throwing dictators statues down from their posts (I mean dictators in general) instead of leaving them as reminder of what happened.

Indeed, maybe one day this thread will be locked, when there will be a consensus that it has outlived its usefulness, but I will not delete it. Those who delete traces of the past are those who want to rewrite history, and also amongst those who set the conditions to repeat mistakes from the past. I'm against all form of censorship, and when I do moderate one post, it's always to try and keep the thread on the track of its original subject. This thread is different in that it's, from the start, an open arena for people who disagree to fight verbally.

There is no way anyone could moderate what's said in this thread without being partial. There is no way someone can have the absolute knowledge of what's true, what's false, what's propaganda. So moderating this would be de facto taking sides, which I refuse to do as a moderator. My ethics as a moderator is to be impartial (while I still have personal opinions as an individual).

gGeorg wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:06 pm What is considered end of conflict ?

No death of civilians nor military personnel for long period of time with a signed paper saying it will stay this way.

gGeorg wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:06 pm - capture Ukraine government and prosecute them ?

To be fair the trial would require to prosecute the 2 sides right ?
It's not likely there is an authority that would then be recognized legitimate by both party.

gGeorg wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:06 pm - capture the CIA agents who spent more than 5 mld dollars of taxes from regular citizens to create the mess ?

Yeah why not who cares those guys if they exist are paid for that it's their job, it's like military personnel who die at war. It would allow to proove the allegation.

gGeorg wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:06 pm - recover freedom of speech in Europe ?

For the non-russia part of Europe, it doesn't depends on Russia's behavior but more on internal policies.
For Russia i don't expect it to be possible at least before 2036 due to the extended possibility of re-election of the president.

gGeorg wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:06 pm - send all Ukraininans who are abroad back home ? (currently it is about 10 mil ppl and rising)

Not sure about the numbers, the UN said yesterday evaluations from 1.5 to 2 millions. You can't force them to live in a place if they fear for their future in that place. Or at least the EU will not want to admit forcing people to do things.

gGeorg wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:06 pm - cancel all economy sanctions ?
- cancel all blocking communication sanctions ?
- cancel all logistics sanctions ?

Since the Moscow stock exchange is closed, there is uncertainty around the value of the expected correction. Lifiting the sanctions before it re-opens is probably very highly desired by the person who closed the Moscow stock exchange. The more time they stay up and the more likely it is that each sides tries to adapt and get more independant in economy which on the medium to long term is a big risk for stability in the world.

[Edit] : In short terms it's a humanitarian catastrophee

gGeorg wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:06 pm BTW: self censoring is new norm. (at least in global West) Learn how to use doublethink and newspeak.

That highly depends on where you express yourself i guess. But when it's on the internet, or in public, one may account for the fact that some people get offended and is counterproductive to a fair communication.

Koub wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:36 pm There is no way anyone could moderate what's said in this thread without being partial.

That's not about moderating what's being said, but rather "how" it is being said. For example, repeated copy pasting of large blocks of text is pollution when it's not done by accident it raises questions .

Ukrainian army by western press.



Russian army by russian press.



https://pikabu.ru/story/otvet_na_post_k ... yi_8905710

In democracy you get robbed, and beat up if you complain.

Else you get beat up first.

Why Ukrainia want to kill one of Ukrainan, who helps a lot of civilian people now in Ukraine. He is like a center between those who need help and those who can help.

https://youtube.com/user/SuperSharij
Shariji is pro-European streamer from Ukraine. (almost 3 million subscribers)


Sorry , Google translate:

Shariy infuriates them because he speaks on taboo topics:

He talks about the crimes committed by the heroes of the Maidan and veterans of the ATO. It is impossible to talk about this among the Nazis. All these people are a priori saints and untouchables.

He also talks about how money is stolen from the budget under the guise of slogans about the fight against the Russian invasion. This is also terribly infuriating, because carte blanche is given to this type of theft and corruption, including approval from the United States

The next taboo topic is corruption involving Western structures. This is an absolute taboo. And Shariy violates it and tells what crazy money is being stolen through Western supervisory boards, with the participation of Biden's son, etc. This is sacrilege

Another uncomfortable topic is the stories about ordinary criminals who figured out in time that they should shout "Glory to Ukraine!" and "death to Muscovites", received immunity.


In general, he encroaches on the sacred cows, ridicules the myths on which the entire current Ukrainian statehood is built. If he talked about all this crime in a slightly different way, shouting "Glory to Ukraine" every minute, "Putin is to blame for everything!" and would bypass Western partners and heroes of the Maidan, then he would be fully integrated into this society.

Djmixxx wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:03 pm
https://youtube.com/user/SuperSharij
Shariji is pro-European streamer from Ukraine. (almost 3 million subscribers)

You mean pro-russian who also have been banned from certain EU countries?
He is anything but Ukrainian/EU.

Djmixxx wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:52 pm Ukrainian army by western press.


Russian army by russian press.


https://pikabu.ru/story/otvet_na_post_k ... yi_8905710

The same shit they post on RT? Congratulations you played yourself.

enterisys wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:20 pm Go ahead and google this picture to prove its 2015

This is a photo from the website russianplanes.net . At the moment, for some reason, it is unavailable. But it is in the Google cache, it dates back to 2017, the place of photographing is Sevastopol.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... clnk&gl=ru

mmmPI wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:37 am

mmmPI wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:29 am I'm starting to think those are computer generated sentence. like this one who is often copy pasted "Insult and defamation from mainstream media dosen't justify anything."
Like sentence you copy paste a lot for SEO.

what is the difference between the duck ?

Russian Bot : Alert Troll Detected Sending Nude!!!!

enterisys wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:12 pm The same shit they post on RT?

Same shit posted every governor propaganda. In EU , USA or Russia.

MOP3E wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:13 pm This is a photo from the website russianplanes.net . At the moment, for some reason, it is unavailable.

Do you have foto of this type of helicopter form Ukrainian war? To compare

enterisys wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:08 pm You mean pro-russian who also have been banned from certain EU countries?
He is anything but Ukrainian/EU.

He is not support Ukraina or Russia at all. Hi support Ukrainian people.

And it is VERY STRANGE that he was banned in countries in which, as he says, corruption with the United States is rampant. After all, Europe has never tried to silence such problems. Especially when humanitarian aid was provided to Africa with empty planes.

MOP3E wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:13 pm

enterisys wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:20 pm Go ahead and google this picture to prove its 2015

This is a photo from the website russianplanes.net . At the moment, for some reason, it is unavailable. But it is in the Google cache, it dates back to 2017, the place of photographing is Sevastopol.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... clnk&gl=ru

Are you retarded or smth? Where is the picture with downed heli?

Djmixxx wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:33 pm He is not support Ukraina or Russia at all. Hi support Ukrainian people.

And it is VERY STRANGE that he was banned in countries in which, as he says, corruption with the United States is rampant. After all, Europe has never tried to silence such problems. Especially when humanitarian aid was provided to Africa with empty planes.

Hes clearly pro-russian cos his agenda is the same as from banned russian channels. PERIOD.

Djmixxx wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:28 pm Do you have foto of this type of helicopter form Ukrainian war? To compare

From where? I've been looking for this source for two hours. Time, you know, is not infinite.
Try to search on this channel in Telegram:
https://t.me/boris_rozhin

MOP3E wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:48 pm

Djmixxx wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:28 pm Do you have foto of this type of helicopter form Ukrainian war? To compare

From where? I've been looking for this source for two hours. Time, you know, is not infinite.
Try to search on this channel in Telegram:
https://t.me/boris_rozhin

A rare footage of 2 russians bots engaged in a conversation