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I mean, this whole steam vs non-steam sidequest doesn't have much to do with the steam achievements post I made because it involves players invested with the game all the way to making it to another planet, and then the immediate following few short hours. So we're already filtering out players who don't have time to get very far, whether they are "filthy casul steam players" at that point doesn't matter much.

NineNine wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 7:47 pm And you continue to make my point: You only use a "game management system" if you're playing a whole lot of games.

That's incorrect - I have 268 games in my Steam library.

In the last three months I have played two games - one a puzzle game which is ~5 mins a day (but not played it for a couple of weeks) and Factorio.

Since start of 2024 I have played seven games - mostly puzzle games (minutes per day), Subnautica, and Factorio.

So currently, I'm a dedicated Factorio player by any measure* yet use Steam because a) Steam came first, and b) doubt I would have found it without Steam anyway.

* I could mention the number of hours Steam thinks I've played since I bought it, but it is a) wrong, and b) unbelievable if it was true (which it isn't))

fencingsquirrel wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 7:54 pm I mean, this whole steam vs non-steam sidequest doesn't have much to do with the steam achievements post I made because it involves players invested with the game all the way to making it to another planet, and then the immediate following few short hours. So we're already filtering out players who don't have time to get very far, whether they are "filthy casul steam players" at that point doesn't matter much.

Your conclusion from those stats is wrong though, because you have no way to tell if a player is currently having fun playing on Gleba while not having finished a research requiring a science pack from it. Instead you pretend wrongfully that the descrepancy means player abandon the run or will never reach the achievement in the future ( because gleba). Therefore, it would represent a niche topic where at most 0.9% players are concerned. As it would also be wrong to pretend those players are sad or frustrated and not eager to try again when they have more time for it.

Not adressing the elephant in the room that only 5% player reach Vulcanus and drawing conclusion on the other figure seem problematic too as was pointed out in an other thread.

pmc666 wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:35 pm That's incorrect - I have 268 games in my Steam library.

In the last three months I have played two games - one a puzzle game which is ~5 mins a day (but not played it for a couple of weeks) and Factorio.

Since start of 2024 I have played seven games - mostly puzzle games (minutes per day), Subnautica, and Factorio.

So currently, I'm a dedicated Factorio player by any measure* yet use Steam because a) Steam came first, and b) doubt I would have found it without Steam anyway.

* I could mention the number of hours Steam thinks I've played since I bought it, but it is a) wrong, and b) unbelievable if it was true (which it isn't))

But are you part of the 0.9% player that reached Gleba and didn't progress to Aquilo ?

mmmPI wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:40 pm

pmc666 wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:35 pm That's incorrect - I have 268 games in my Steam library.

In the last three months I have played two games - one a puzzle game which is ~5 mins a day (but not played it for a couple of weeks) and Factorio.

Since start of 2024 I have played seven games - mostly puzzle games (minutes per day), Subnautica, and Factorio.

So currently, I'm a dedicated Factorio player by any measure* yet use Steam because a) Steam came first, and b) doubt I would have found it without Steam anyway.

* I could mention the number of hours Steam thinks I've played since I bought it, but it is a) wrong, and b) unbelievable if it was true (which it isn't))

But are you part of the 0.9% player that reached Gleba and didn't progress to Aquilo ?

Not sure what that has to do with using Steam as a game management platform - Can you elaborate?

pmc666 wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:49 pm Not sure what that has to do with using Steam as a game management platform - Can you elaborate?

The steam discussion is an off topic actually , that span off someone posting them related to the fact that some players said "gleba killed the game for them".

mmmPI wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:57 pm

pmc666 wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:49 pm Not sure what that has to do with using Steam as a game management platform - Can you elaborate?

The steam discussion is an off topic actually , that span off someone posting them related to the fact that some players said "gleba killed the game for them".

Why were you asking me a tangential question to an off-topic tangent? What relevance does my current progress in the game have to the topic?

pmc666 wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:18 pm Why were you asking me a tangential question to an off-topic tangent? What relevance does my current progress in the game have to the topic?

It was my attempt at making interventions relate back to the actual topic ! Individual cases may have little relevance, but that's what was used (by you) to disproove previous claim about steam/non-steam user. So i thought you could also use your individual case to tell us if the game was killed by Gleba or not. For illustration. It's not my personnal case.

NineNine wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 7:47 pm

Khazul wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:11 pm

NineNine wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:50 pm

fencingsquirrel wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:31 pm The steam achievements speak 1000 words about gleba.

I would argue that Steam players are less invested in Factorio than non-Steam players

I call BS on that. There is no one I know on PC who doesnt have Steam and use it as their preferred game management platform (over any of the publisher specific platforms where possible which we almost universally despise, but we do all like steam mostly).

You know people who use Steam because you use Steam.

And you continue to make my point: You only use a "game management system" if you're playing a whole lot of games. If you're playing a bunch of different games, it's a lot more unlikely that you'll complete Space Age. If you're a dedicated Factorio player, and that's all you play, you're not going to install some random piece of "game management" DRM software for no reason.

I'm sure there are some who only play factorio. Maybe that is all they have time for, maybe they just arnt interested in other games. Or maybe they really need a break and to do something else for a while - who knows? Even counting someone hours in the game doesnt mean that much - some people just pick this up and are able to understanding it in depth very quickly whiles other seems to struggle after even 1000s of hours. Not everyone is the same, with the same background, nor are their circumstances.

I also wonder how people would otherwise discover this short of a friend pointing them at it. I dont ever recall seeing adverts for it spammed all over the place. A friend pointed me at this on Steam a long time ago. As far as I know, it has always been on Steam. AFAIK is has always been available as a separate download as well.

Going back to the stats - every earlier stage in the progression will always have higher completion than a later stage. On its own it doesnt mean someone gave up, it may just mean they just havn't progressed further YET.

Khazul wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 12:55 am Not everyone is the same, with the same background, nor are their circumstances.

That's very true, for i know players that do not use steam and yet have a computer !