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Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:57 pm
by DRY411S
Hannu wrote: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:32 am
I agree. Item spilling is stupid and annoying thing which have no positive value to game.
There should be at least an option that if inventory size decreases or stop to exist for whatever reason all the overflowing stuff would just disappear. Exactly like liquid tanks behave. I personally do not see any value to keep huge amounts of spilled items and would make disappearing as default behavior, but I know that many player are extremely miserly and use whole day to save single iron plate in their megabase, so maybe an option could be realistic hope.
I'd hate that option. My MK2 spills have occurred by bad clicking on my part. I'd hate to be penalised for that by losing stuff.
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:55 pm
by eradicator
Koub wrote: Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:49 pm
I think there is no "stack" item, so I don't see how such stacks could end up on the ground. If they did exist, the 100+ page bots/belts flamewars would probably never have happened.
Item-on-ground contains a standard LuaItemStack, and thus supports item count. It doesn't look different ofc, same as stacks don't look different from single items in your inventory. But as long as the base game doesn't create them by itself it's not UPS-feasible to use them in lua on a large scale.
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/c local p = game.player p.surface.create_entity{name='item-on-ground',position=p.position,stack={name = 'copper-plate',count = 50}}
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:02 am
by Optera
There are 3 possible ways to handle inventory overflow:
- prevent removal
we see this currently with chests that refuse to be mined if they cant transfer all inventory to the player
- spill contents
current behavior when removing power armor results in player inventories becoming too small to hold everything
- delete contents
luckily we don't have this anywhere
Having both 1 and 2 currently in the game is odd. Why does one inventory overflow result in spills and the other does not?
There should be an option to switch between safe mode (prevent mining if it'd result in overflow) and masochist mode (overflow always causes spilling). I'd love to see the spill mining big warehouse produces.
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:48 am
by Hannu
DRY411S wrote: Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:57 pm
I'd hate that option. My MK2 spills have occurred by bad clicking on my part. I'd hate to be penalised for that by losing stuff.
I understand that probably most players think like you. Therefore I suggested an option. However, for me it is much bigger penalty and annoyance to clean stuff than lose it. Factorio has infinite world with infinite resources and infrastructure stuff I have in my inventory is practically almost free from any point of view (amount of resources, game time needed in fabrication, real time and labor needed from player (which are for me always the most precious resources) etc.) compared to resource flows in science production. Large base product replacement stuff in few minutes. I use void chests to clean my inventory fast and do not care if I dump sometimes produced entities. There are hundreds of item types in modded games and I build railworlds so I do not bother to make logistic circulations for all stuff.
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:53 am
by eradicator
Why do items have to be spilled/deleted at all when taking off armor? Simply keep the stacks where they are. As long as you don't have armor you can't access them, and when you put your armor back on they're in the same spot they were before. (And before someone calls "unrealistic!": The whole inventory system is one huge blob of imagination. Nobody "accidentially" drops 500 tin cans when they take off their jacket at home.)
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:37 am
by Hannu
eradicator wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:53 am
Why do items have to be spilled/deleted at all when taking off armor?
Simply keep the stacks where they are.
It would also be a good idea. However, competitive players may no like possibility to use trick to carry huge amounts of stuff. In my opinion, if someone bother to build many armors, load and nest them, he deserves it.
Nobody "accidentially" drops 500 tin cans when they take off their jacket at home.)
"Normal" people do not. However, I am not sure about those who carry oil refineries, nuclear reactors and diesel locomotives in their pockets.
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:16 am
by eradicator
Hannu wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:37 am
eradicator wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:53 am
Why do items have to be spilled/deleted at all when taking off armor?
Simply keep the stacks where they are.
It would also be a good idea. However, competitive players may no like possibility to use trick to carry huge amounts of stuff. In my opinion, if someone bother to build many armors, load and nest them, he deserves it.
You misunderstand, i wasn't suggesting the items are "stored in the armor". They should still be on the player, just inaccessible. Any armor would give you access to the
same slots. No implications on competitive play because multiple armors don't get you anything that a single armor wouldn't get you too.
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:44 am
by Hannu
eradicator wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:16 amYou misunderstand, i wasn't suggesting the items are "stored in the armor". They should still be on the player, just inaccessible. Any armor would give you access to the
same slots. No implications on competitive play because multiple armors don't get you anything that a single armor wouldn't get you too.
OK. I understand now. This seems to be very good idea. At least I do not see any flaws in short thinking.
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:39 am
by DRY411S
eradicator wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:53 am
Why do items have to be spilled/deleted at all when taking off armor?
Simply keep the stacks where they are. As long as you don't have armor you can't access them, and when you put your armor back on they're in the same spot they were before. (And before someone calls "unrealistic!": The whole inventory system is one huge blob of imagination. Nobody "accidentially" drops 500 tin cans when they take off their jacket at home.)
Which stacks would be inaccessible? If default sort order is being used, and it's the last items in your inventory, it's going to be military stuff, which may not be desirable. This would probably include the armor you just removed!
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:19 am
by Sad_Brother
eradicator wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:53 am
Why do items have to be spilled/deleted at all when taking off armor?
Simply keep the stacks where they are. As long as you don't have armor you can't access them, and when you put your armor back on they're in the same spot they were before.
Hannu wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:37 am
It would also be a good idea. However, competitive players may no like possibility to use trick to carry huge amounts of stuff.
DRY411S wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:39 am
Which stacks would be inaccessible?
Let it all accessible. Just forbid to move overloaded.
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:55 am
by Darinth
I like both of the last suggestions. Making your overcapacity inventory inaccessible (with some basic protection to make sure that the armor you just took off can still be accessed to be put back on) or just preventing you from moving while overcapacity would be a sufficient penalty to prevent any real abuse I think, and would entirely prevent issues with having to cleanup after an accidental armor removal.
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:33 am
by eradicator
DRY411S wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:39 am
eradicator wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:53 am
Why do items have to be spilled/deleted at all when taking off armor?
Simply keep the stacks where they are. As long as you don't have armor you can't access them, and when you put your armor back on they're in the same spot they were before. (And before someone calls "unrealistic!": The whole inventory system is one huge blob of imagination. Nobody "accidentially" drops 500 tin cans when they take off their jacket at home.)
Which stacks would be inaccessible? If default sort order is being used, and it's the last items in your inventory, it's going to be military stuff, which may not be desirable. This would probably include the armor you just removed!
The "bottom" stacks would be inaccessible, yea. But why are you taking off your armor in combat :D. I tried just now and you can't actually take off your armor in a way that puts it into the slots that itself provides. If you take it off with the mouse you have it on the cursor, and if you try to take it off with shift+left-click it won't work if your inventory is too full. Idiotically if you have a full inventory and then shift+left-click on the armor it will currently
spill the stuff in the armor-provided inventory slots onto the ground without actually taking off the armor.
Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:40 pm
by Tekky
Optera wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:02 am
I'd love to see the spill mining big warehouse produces.
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Re: insert overflow parts into chest
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:48 pm
by ickputzdirwech
[ick] Merged two topics about removing armor resulting in item spill.