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leffe108 wrote:I think if alt-mode was on by default, it will help new players who has not learned yet how to enable it. I always play with it on constantly.

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I can concur with that too was thinking that watching someone start a lazy bastard playthrough.

I think I pretty much have the alt display mode turned on 99% of the time. I must admit that when I notice it's not on (Probably due to an alt-tab) I press alt to turn it on again.

Now when I was first starting the game, I discovered the mode pretty much by accident, in fact I remember thinking "Why isn't the game showing me that overlay information?" when I started a new game, assuming it was an on by default thing until I pressed a few buttons and figured out how to turn it on.

I normally play with the alt-display off and only turn it on for a second when I need it, but then turn it off again immediately.

Therefore, I am against this suggestion.

However, I do agree that new players should be made aware of the possibility of using the alt-key. But I believe that this should be done in a tutorial and not by changing default behavior.

From my own experience, and your responses, it seems like what most people do is just leave this toggle either ON or OFF most of the time, and only briefly toggle it the other way. Regardless of what the default is, I think this means that having a keyboard shortcut is unneeded - it could just be a button in the UI somewhere. I personally would prefer it that way, because I hit ALT-TAB to change podcasts, and the game's UI is toggled when I come back.

Having alt as a function in itself is a pain because of alt-tabbing. using it as a combination key like alt+E etc would be fine (not sure what alt+E does if anything), but alt by itself is a pain.

Perhaps instead of having it on by default... add an option to the list of game options "Detail view on by default"?
it would still function as it does now when you actually get into a game, but when you start a new game, it would be turned on instead of off.

I would suggest to have an option in the interface settings which would allow players to select whether or not they wanted to have alt-mode on or off by default.

It's not a massive deal to push the button, or press the keybind, but it is something I'd rather not have to think about.

Most advanced players use alt mode by default.
Just like there are sound settings or a setting if the research queue is enabled I believe this is a worthwhile to add this setting in the interface or other settings pages

Thank You

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I second this

It will also free a key bind!

I would rather have this option as, "Alt Mode always on" instead of on by default. This way I can defeat the switch that occurs when I alt-tab out of the game.

netmand wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:44 pm I would rather have this option as, "Alt Mode always on" instead of on by default. This way I can defeat the switch that occurs when I alt-tab out of the game.

I sometimes use non-alt mode to see clearer, eg see wire connections or if machines are running etc. Always on would be annyoing. But you can change the key binding away from alt already, so there is an easy way around your problem.

ichVII wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:31 pm

netmand wrote: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:44 pm I would rather have this option as, "Alt Mode always on" instead of on by default. This way I can defeat the switch that occurs when I alt-tab out of the game.

I sometimes use non-alt mode to see clearer, eg see wire connections or if machines are running etc. Always on would be annyoing. But you can change the key binding away from alt already, so there is an easy way around your problem.

Thanks for the tip! Actually I pause the game before alt-tabbing out; it makes more sense to do so and alt-mode doesn't get affected. Re-binding controls is just as easy as not having Alt mode on by default option and having to hit alt key at the start of playing a new map.

But we don't want options to present annoyances to players, right? So although I'd rather have this option as "Alt mode always on" instead of on by default, I'll suggest both because, why not?

This sounds great! I'd love this for playing multiplayer especially. I commonly log in and out of scenarios to test things for said scenarios, which adds up for having to toggle alt. Others who do really long runs might not get this as often, but it's still there and would be great to have on when joining a new game.

Goal

Get rid of unnecessary actions performed by the player

Situation

Every time you start a new game, you have to press ALT (Additional Information mode).

Decision

Assign an Additional Information Mode, by default.

I actually prefer things the way it is in this regard.

I do not support this one.

Already suggested a few times:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=86464&p=501268
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51331&p=401266

FuryoftheStars wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 2:05 pm I actually prefer things the way it is in this regard.

I do not support this one.

Just add an item to the game settings so that no one is left offended ↴

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