gGeorg wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:36 am
Wraps it around, I see you swearing other people on forum, and you didnt show any proof of your statements.
Therfore your presentation is heading to mark "mindless troll".
You are such a stupid person that you call for a source when figures aren't contested nor by the russian side, nor by the Ukrainian side and you refuse to acknoledge it.
I sent you a link to a video where i told you " THE RUSSIAN REPRESENTATIVE SAYS SOMETHING", then you complain you don't know what to look ? That's pretty easy, the intervention of the russian federation representative ? that sound like very very difficult to find for you in a 2H video where everyone talk in order ?
The link on wikipedia is saying figures that were reported by the OHCHR that's why i also posted a link to them so you can inform yourself about who they are.
gGeorg wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:36 am
Your link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
says "Ukraine claimed 7,577[585]–14,600[586] separatists had been killed"
e.i. your links says, exact oposiit of your statement. Ukraina admits they killed such amount of people BEFORE military operation.
Use ctrl C , ctrl f , ctrl v features to find the specific line in the document.
No the link doesn't say that you're a lier.
Since you refuse to read the links i dont know why you keep asking for some source :
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Maybe you didn't know but the little square with number in it refers to a source, if you want to know the source you can click the little numbers, it shows you the link to the source at the bottom of the page, and you can click there to go and read it so you are less ignorant.
Casualties
Main article: Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War
The number of confirmed fatalities (deaths) caused by the war was 13,100–13,300 as of the end of January 2021.[26] By the end of September 2021, the UN confirmed 3,393 civilians had been killed in the conflict. 312 of the civilian deaths were foreigners: 298 passengers and crew of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17,[29] 11 Russian journalists,[579] an Italian journalist,[580] one Russian civilian killed in cross-border shelling[581] and a Lithuanian diplomat.[582]
Ukrainian forces
Ukrainian government forces had lost a confirmed total of 4,641 killed servicemen by late February 2022, including 233 foreign-born Ukrainian citizens and 19 foreigners.[22][23][24][note 2] Another 70 Ukrainian soldiers were missing.[25]
Pro-Russian sources claimed Ukrainian forces had: 10,000 killed, 20,000 wounded and 13,500 deserted or missing, by late June 2015.[583]
Separatist forces
The separatists reported that they had lost 1,400 men at most as of the beginning of February 2015.[584] The United Nations reported 5,700 separatists were killed by the end of January 2021.[26]
Ukraine claimed 7,577[585]–14,600[586] separatists had been killed and 12,000 missing[587] during the fighting as of early 2015. They claimed an additional 103 Russian servicemen were killed between January and April 2016.[588]
An image of a reported separatist graveyard in Donetsk in late February 2015,[589] showed number plates running up to at least 2,213.[590] In late August 2015, according to a reported leak by a Russian news site, Business Life (Delovaya Zhizn), 2,000 Russian soldiers had been killed in Ukraine by 1 February 2015.[591][592] The US Department of State reported that by early March 2015, 400–500 Russian soldiers had died.[593]
By mid-February 2022, DPR separatist authorities reported that a total of 5,042 separatists and civilians had been killed in DPR-controlled territory,[594] while the LPR reported 1,328 people had died in the LPR by January 2018.[595]
This is what the previous link has to say. There is the reporting of several sides and also the date of the reporting, why you use the initial figure of february 2015 ? you also claim "during 8 years there was bombing", so just be consistent and read the document, not just one part to copy paste for your need.
In case you want even more information, since you clearly need some here is an updated article that also keep track of the people killed since the Russian invasion attempt. It keeps tracks of figures by different party, and attribute them, with the time of the reporting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualtie ... ainian_War
Initially, the known number of Ukrainian military casualties varied widely due to the Ukrainian Army drastically understating its casualties,[18] as reported by medics, activists and soldiers on the ground, as well as at least one lawmaker.[18][19][20][21][22] Several medical officials reported they were overstretched due to the drastic number of casualties.[18] Eventually, the Ukrainian Defence Ministry stated that the numbers recorded by the National Museum of Military History were the official ones, although still incomplete,[23] with 4,629 deaths (4,490 identified and 139 unidentified) cataloged by 1 December 2021.[12][13]
According to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 1,175 of the Ukrainian servicemen died due to non-combat causes by 5 March 2021.[24] Subsequently, the military did not publish new figures on their non-combat losses, stating they could be considered a state secret.[25]
It is also explained why some figures change over time, if you read the text to try and understand you get a different result that if you try to pick a sentence to copy paste to proove someone is lying. You took estimation of 2015, which is a war time estimation that can be inflated or not because those are military intelligence, but you voluntarily dismissed all other figure more recent like those published for historians and where data was compared with sources from the other side and reported altogether.
On the video from the UN council you can clearly hear the representative of the USA say that more than 13000 people where killed since 2014, and blaming Russia for it, then the representative of Russia says that in those 13000 most of them were fighter of the 2 separatist area, the translation from the UN of the word used is "victorious". Maybe you have a different translation ?
gGeorg wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:36 am
I dont reed all vomiting here.
Your link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olHRu_Ou4WI
is 2 hours video,
i dont have time to go thru and search for a specific sentence you cut out. If you where it is, give the specific link with time stamp. Otherwise, this your source has same value like " it is on internet somewhere"
You post quite a lot of vomiting here, do you expect people to take time to investigate your hastly pasted crap while you can't be bother reading any argument that contradict you ?
You have time to cut out some sentence from a whole wikipedia page, maybe you didn't have time to read the whole page how does that work ? you just copy paste a sentence you cut out but you don't read all ? you think you are better informed this way ?
You make no difference between something like public UN council and private indiviudal posting vieo on youtube ? It's pretty easy though, the UN council is posted publicly by different sources which means if you ignore what has been said there, that makes you ignorant about the topic, that's like the law, you cannot asy " i didn't know". That's part of the public statement not interpretation, saying you didn't got the public statement is a proof of 1) your ignorance on the subject, 2) your ignorance about the ridicule of your posture of doubting someone who report official statement while those official statement are public.
Respect to the Wube team for standing up for what's right 