Scalable Production Supply and Product Transport

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Scalable Production Supply and Product Transport

Postby Bauer » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:37 pm

Problem:
Scalable production setups are favouralbe in late phases of the game. However, the transport of supplies and products does not scale well. For example, additional belts are required or new train lines have to be set up.

Solution:
I suggest to use a train based solution with progressiv loading of the wagons, i.e. the train is loaded stepwise from production unit to production unit. At the loadinig/unloading station next to a production facility, I use only 2 or 3 swings of every inserter to load the train. At the next station, the train is loaded/unloaded again with another 2 or 3 swings. Thus, the train collects/delivers progressively the goods station by station.

Demonstration
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Details:
My 4 wagon trains are nuclear powered and have a cycle time of 253 ticks for a 2 swing stop and 274 ticks for 3 swing stop. For 4x12 stack inserts (stack size 12) this corresponds to a throughput of 273 items/s and 378 items/s, respectively, for an individual station. This is the equivalent of 6.8 or 9.5 blue belts. For a 100 stack size item, the train can load 4x40x100=16.000 items. Hence the total troughput of the train line is 3794 items/s, which is the equivalent of 95 blue belts. If this is not big enough, you can easily scale by adding more wagons (and engines).

At the end you loop the train line. If you need more production units, you move the loop of the train tracks and add another unit.

All stations have the same name, including the central station. 2 stops are programmed with a leave condition G=1 from the circuit network. In case of a production facility, the G signal is generated by a timer.

The video and the following image show a green circuit production.
Per unit 273 Cu and Fe plates are being processed into 356.5 green boards per second. This corresponds nicely with the loading/unloading capacity of a 3 and 2 swing unloading station, respectively. Hence, the setup scales up upto 14 production units with a consumption of 3794.5 copper plates/s.
Terminus
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Central
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Blueprint
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Re: Scalable Production Supply and Product Transport

Postby Bauer » Fri May 04, 2018 11:09 am

No feedback? No interest?
Lacking novelity? Incomprehensible? Boring?
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Re: Scalable Production Supply and Product Transport

Postby zggz » Fri May 04, 2018 8:45 pm

try to make big factory with out so big stocks and you will receive feedback. :)
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Re: Scalable Production Supply and Product Transport

Postby Dry Hairy Tree » Tue May 08, 2018 2:12 am

I like the way you've worked this out. There's a devil in the details of scaling up and you kicked its ass.

Feedback round these parts is rare. Just check your thread views people come and look. Then some go off and do what you thought up on youtube and call it their own. These are Factorio's 'experts'. :mrgreen:

Play cos you love it. Get another activity for positive feedback, unless you're a Dev, cos the Devs round these parts are legends.

And I do like your work I'm just over bots and beacons for now.

Stand up comedy is my favorite way of getting lots of positive feedback. But you do need to be freakin funny. Not something I try cultivate online.
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Re: Scalable Production Supply and Product Transport

Postby herkalurk » Wed May 16, 2018 7:56 pm

Why 4 locomotives for each train? Seems a bit overkill.
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Re: Scalable Production Supply and Product Transport

Postby Bauer » Thu May 17, 2018 11:11 am

herkalurk wrote:Why 4 locomotives for each train? Seems a bit overkill.


Well, is there such a thing as "overkill" in factorio?
Of course you're right. My demo project had a 1:1 ration and I didn't want to recalculate.
However, I'm pretty happy with this setup, though.
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Re: Scalable Production Supply and Product Transport

Postby mrvn » Thu May 17, 2018 2:29 pm

Doing 4 parallel stations instead of 2x 2 serial seems smarter. You are wasting the time the train needs to accelerate and decelerate between stations. With more stations that adds up and with less locomotives it becomes more pronounced. Try it with LCCCCCCCC trains and stations in series for example.

As for scaling I don't quite see what your solution brings. More production means more trains. Normally that means more trains sitting at more stations. But in your setup that means more trains visiting each station. You can only push so many trains per minute through each station and your demo shows the limit already.
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Re: Scalable Production Supply and Product Transport

Postby herkalurk » Thu May 17, 2018 2:35 pm

mrvn wrote:Doing 4 parallel stations instead of 2x 2 serial seems smarter. You are wasting the time the train needs to accelerate and decelerate between stations. With more stations that adds up and with less locomotives it becomes more pronounced. Try it with LCCCCCCCC trains and stations in series for example.


WIth bots based stations it's easier to stack 4 stations next to each other. If you have to account for belts and inserters space quickly becomes a factor.
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Re: Scalable Production Supply and Product Transport

Postby Bauer » Thu May 17, 2018 8:18 pm

@herkalurk and mrvn:
You don't get the point, I fear. This about expandability / ease of use. If I need more green circuits I just add another block and that's it. The train line has a huge capacity, i.e. it's enough for 14 of such blocks.
I is actually designed to work with recursive blueprints to allow for an auto expand of the factory but I didn't want to make it too complex for this post.
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Re: Scalable Production Supply and Product Transport

Postby herkalurk » Fri May 18, 2018 2:17 pm

How many bots did you have in each block? Looks like a couple thousand flying around.
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