One-belt Production

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One-belt Production

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The idea is simple:
By carefully controlling the input to a production area, one can place the intended output on the very same belt as the input - effectively allowing for more compact (and sometimes cheaper) production.
This of course requires accurate calculation of ratio of input items, and ratios of any machines used in the production area.
To my knowledge, there's been very little work done with this, although I do recall at least one other person doing this (or something similar) with processing units, but I haven't been able to find the post.
I'm hoping the combinator gurus of this forum can perhaps improve on the circuit setup, as it is currently a pile of spaghetti.

All of such one-belt setups consist of a
  • feeder, which ensures that the production area is given exactly what raw materials are needed, without overfeeding to the point of congestion
  • production head, the first bit of the production area, which at times has to be differently designed to create space on the belt
  • production body, a copy-pastable segment which serves to convert the bulk of raw material into product
  • filter, to recirculate any leftover raw material, lest it stays with the output and pollutes the bus
Below, examples of such setups. Blueprints are included, but keep in mind that things are mostly in the prototype/proof-of-concept stage. Read the notes, that you may learn from my (many) mistakes.
Low-throughput Electronic Circuits
Steel Smelting
High-throughput Electronic Circuits
Advanced Circuits
Flying Robot Frames
Blueprints, collected in one blueprint book:

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At this point, I've spent more time on these things than is healthy, and much of this seems obvious to me now - so chances are that I've unknowingly left out something critically important.
Let me know if this has happened and where, hopefully I can answer any questions.

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Re: One-belt Production

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I've done a furnace using this kind of concept:
https://youtu.be/hKnnk31yKuw

It performs 1:1 replacement of input to output. With the output occupying the exact same space as the corresponding input. System is guaranteed to process all the input so no loopback is needed.

The bad part of my design is that every inserter needs to be timed exactly. Even extremely small changes on the input (a gap, or a desync between belt lanes) throws the timing off.

I have some ideas for improvement but just haven't had the time to try them. Or to move on to assemblers.

I have thread on the Combinator Creations section of forum:
viewtopic.php?f=193&t=37078&start=20

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Re: One-belt Production

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Surely this doesn't always work... If your output is blocked up wouldn't the belt fill any gaps? Meaning in this case any iron taken off the belt would be replaced with iron before an inserter can drop a green circuit in it? Thus iron will creep in to your output line and clog up any production further up which will further contribute to halting the output of circuits until everything is jammed.
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Re: One-belt Production

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Deadly-Bagel wrote:Surely this doesn't always work... If your output is blocked up wouldn't the belt fill any gaps? Meaning in this case any iron taken off the belt would be replaced with iron before an inserter can drop a green circuit in it? Thus iron will creep in to your output line and clog up any production further up which will further contribute to halting the output of circuits until everything is jammed.
Preventing such an issue is one of the feeder's tasks. In order to do so, it performs the following logic tests, and only allows in new raw material if they are all true:
  • output belt throughput > 0 OR output belt contents = 0 (meaning no new raw material is allowed in if the output belt is not moving)
  • return belt from filter contains few items (if the return belt is full, it would indicate that an excess of raw material is being let in, the exact number varies)
  • finally, a specific material is only allowed in if it would maintain the correct ratio or correct an imbalance (in the case of green chips, this means the feeder strives towards a 2:3 iron plate:copper plate ratio).
While the scenario you describe could have been an issue, the above tests should prevent it (or any other lockup) from ever occurring.
Yoyobuae wrote:The bad part of my design is that every inserter needs to be timed exactly. Even extremely small changes on the input (a gap, or a desync between belt lanes) throws the timing off.
You've got a pretty clever way of dealing with 1:1 input:output scenarios, which I'd otherwise written off as impossible. Hats off to that.
As for the quoted issue, here's what I'm seeing:
The furnace works in "instances", one instance being a set amount of ore and fuel being fed to it - for stone furnaces I'd go for 800 ore and 63 coal.
Given that imperfections in the input would primarily be caused by a spotty supply, it would only be a matter of checking if there's enough material to perform a full instance.
How to implement such instanced behaviours would be up to you.

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