Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

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Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by der-dave.com » Wed May 08, 2019 8:41 pm

Hallo guys,

I played Factorio a lot and started a new 0.17 game early for fres start and design new blueprints.
Unfortunatly, I did´nt exported them to the library. Now, I got killed somewhere on the map very far away from my base. I can´t find my corspe because there was no marker on the map. Yes, I know, there are mods for this but I wanted to play a Vanilla game. I think it would be an nice solution to mark my corpse on the map by the game engine, without the use of mods.

No I am going to recreate my blueprints :D


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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by DaleStan » Thu May 09, 2019 4:14 am

You can load the game with a mod that shows where your corpse is, remember where it is, remove the mod, and load the same save again. Your corpse will be where you found it, and you'll still get all your achievements.

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by Hannu » Thu May 09, 2019 6:15 am

der-dave.com wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 8:41 pm
I think it would be an nice solution to mark my corpse on the map by the game engine, without the use of mods.
You can mark your position on map during respawn countdown. Alternatively you can use F5 to get coordinates. But of course it would be much less annoying if map showed position of corpse. At least I can not see any interesting gaming challenge which would be broken if game gave the information easily.

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by mrvn » Thu May 09, 2019 10:54 am

You should put your blueprints into the blueprint library, probably into a book too and link that book to your toolbelt. Saves inventory space and makes them save from death. But then they are shared between games. Nothing is perfect.

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by posila » Thu May 09, 2019 12:34 pm

If it happend to me, I would reload from autosave.

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by mrvn » Thu May 09, 2019 12:36 pm

posila wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 12:34 pm
If it happend to me, I would reload from autosave.
Did that too a time or two. Save game, reload old save, move blueprints to library, reload game, get blueprints back form library.

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by posila » Thu May 09, 2019 12:42 pm

mrvn wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 12:36 pm
Did that too a time or two. Save game, reload old save, move blueprints to library, reload game, get blueprints back form library.
I meant I would continue to play from save before I died (as I would before corpses were added and death was game over). But loading old save to just export blueprints is good idea too.

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by mrvn » Thu May 09, 2019 1:35 pm

posila wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 12:42 pm
mrvn wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 12:36 pm
Did that too a time or two. Save game, reload old save, move blueprints to library, reload game, get blueprints back form library.
I meant I would continue to play from save before I died (as I would before corpses were added and death was game over). But loading old save to just export blueprints is good idea too.
More often it's because I accidentally deleted or edited a blueprint that I wish I had half an hour later.

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by der-dave.com » Thu May 09, 2019 2:08 pm

Sure, there are many possibilities to save my blueprints but the main thing is: Why not showing the corpse on the map?
But the marker during dead-countdown is a good idea.

To link the blueprints in the toolbelt from library is a good idea, too. Didn´t know this since now. thanks mrvn.

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Post by adam_bise » Thu May 09, 2019 2:24 pm

der-dave.com wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 2:08 pm
Sure, there are many possibilities to save my blueprints but the main thing is: Why not showing the corpse on the map?
But the marker during dead-countdown is a good idea.

To link the blueprints in the toolbelt from library is a good idea, too. Didn´t know this since now. thanks mrvn.
It is actually an unfair issue.

I've lost corpses when I knew where they were, but was unable to see them amongst the pile of biter corpses. And on a multiplayer map you can't arbitrarily reload a save without admin help.

It isn't about losing blueprints, it is about a situation in the game that is unfair to the player, and should be corrected.

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by posila » Thu May 09, 2019 2:35 pm

der-dave.com wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 2:08 pm
Sure, there are many possibilities to save my blueprints but the main thing is: Why not showing the corpse on the map?
I am not a designer, so I don't have answer to that. You said the problem was that you died and lost blueprints you had on you, and proposed solution to that problem that requires addition of a feature. I just came in to post about different solution that already exists in the game :)
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It isn't about losing blueprints, it is about a situation in the game that is unfair to the player, and should be corrected.
You died, so you lost your stuff. The entire reason corpses were added was to give players at least a chance to recover their stuff in multiplayer, where reload from autosave is not a good option. If you don't want to lose your things, either don't die or have a good memory; you won't get them back for free. (My opinion, not official game design reason)

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by sepharim » Thu May 09, 2019 2:48 pm

I liked it the way it was. If you are unattended and not carefully enough you die. When you die you are dead and everything ends.
In Factorio it doesn't end, but you either start to setup the character again, or you have luck and find the corpse. For me it's pretty fair the way it is right now.

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by adam_bise » Thu May 09, 2019 3:01 pm

All I know is, based on personal experience, when I die I have a certain level of confidence that I will or wont be able to recover my items, based on if I think I can make it back in time, remember where it was, and how many enemies may be nearby.

It was frustrating to be correct in those 3 things, but still be unable to get my stuff because I can't visually see precisely where it is, and can't remove biter corpses that may be in the way. I can typically remember where it is supposed to be, but always have to do a little looking at least once I get there.

There were times when I literally held down RMB and paced back and forth to find it lol

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Post by Rseding91 » Fri May 10, 2019 6:51 am

posila wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 2:35 pm
adam_bise wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 2:24 pm
It isn't about losing blueprints, it is about a situation in the game that is unfair to the player, and should be corrected.
You died, so you lost your stuff. The entire reason corpses were added was to give players at least a chance to recover their stuff in multiplayer, where reload from autosave is not a good option. If you don't want to lose your things, either don't die or have a good memory; you won't get them back for free. (My opinion, not official game design reason)
The reason I made the corpse expire was exactly that so it is the official game design reason.
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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by mrvn » Mon May 13, 2019 9:44 am

adam_bise wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 3:01 pm
All I know is, based on personal experience, when I die I have a certain level of confidence that I will or wont be able to recover my items, based on if I think I can make it back in time, remember where it was, and how many enemies may be nearby.

It was frustrating to be correct in those 3 things, but still be unable to get my stuff because I can't visually see precisely where it is, and can't remove biter corpses that may be in the way. I can typically remember where it is supposed to be, but always have to do a little looking at least once I get there.

There were times when I literally held down RMB and paced back and forth to find it lol
Have you tried using a deconstruction planer? 1) it should put a more noticable red cross over your corpse. 2) When you click&drag an area with it it should say "Corpse: 1" when your area includes the corpse. Should make it easier to both narrow down the area and find the corpse itself.

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by adam_bise » Mon May 13, 2019 1:16 pm

mrvn wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 9:44 am
adam_bise wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 3:01 pm
All I know is, based on personal experience, when I die I have a certain level of confidence that I will or wont be able to recover my items, based on if I think I can make it back in time, remember where it was, and how many enemies may be nearby.

It was frustrating to be correct in those 3 things, but still be unable to get my stuff because I can't visually see precisely where it is, and can't remove biter corpses that may be in the way. I can typically remember where it is supposed to be, but always have to do a little looking at least once I get there.

There were times when I literally held down RMB and paced back and forth to find it lol
Have you tried using a deconstruction planer? 1) it should put a more noticable red cross over your corpse. 2) When you click&drag an area with it it should say "Corpse: 1" when your area includes the corpse. Should make it easier to both narrow down the area and find the corpse itself.
Didn't know about that, thanks!

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Re: Lost all blueprints because I can´t find my corpse

Post by der-dave.com » Wed May 15, 2019 2:55 pm

Thanks for all the nice ideas of finding corpses. Looks like I can live with that.
One good thing is: All blueprints are now fresh out of the box and old unnecessary stuff was deleted :D

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