[0.17.41] Flamethrower turret tooltip inconsistent with (updated) wiki

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[0.17.41] Flamethrower turret tooltip inconsistent with (updated) wiki

Post by Theikkru » Mon May 20, 2019 6:27 pm

Recently, Bilka was nice enough to update the flamethrower turret page of the wiki to clear up confusion about how the flamethrower turret works. However, the numbers there do not add up to the damage numbers shown in game:
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Moreover, the in-game tooltip indicates stacking of the flammables upgrades on flamethrower turrets somehow, despite flamethrower turrets not using flamethrower ammo.

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Re: [0.17.41] Flamethrower turret tooltip inconsistent with (updated) wiki

Post by Xeanoa » Sat May 25, 2019 10:48 am

Refined flammables has always been boosting with fire dmamage in general, and Flamethrower turrets specifically.

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Re: [0.17.41] Flamethrower turret tooltip inconsistent with (updated) wiki

Post by Theikkru » Sun May 26, 2019 9:02 am

Then the bonuses page is imprecise, because it lists a bonus only to flamethrower ammo (visible in screenshot above under tooltip) instead of fire damage in general.

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Re: [0.17.41] Flamethrower turret tooltip inconsistent with (updated) wiki

Post by Klonan » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:29 pm

I am likely to believe the in-game is correct

The 'stacks with ammo' is just a general label for all turrets (And it does stack with the damage bonus from using light oil as the 'ammo')

So, not sure what there is to be fixed here

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Re: [0.17.41] Flamethrower turret tooltip inconsistent with (updated) wiki

Post by Bilka » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:31 pm

The wiki goes by the full prototype data. The game doesn't even display all the damage (such as the sticker). So, from the wiki's side, everything is correct, while the game is wrong.
I'm an admin over at https://wiki.factorio.com. Feel free to contact me if there's anything wrong (or right) with it.

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Re: [0.17.41] Flamethrower turret tooltip inconsistent with (updated) wiki

Post by Theikkru » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:00 am

The problem as I see it is two-fold:
① The 90 damage tooltip doesn't make much sense, since
・flamethrower turrets do damage 3 different ways, not just a flat number,
・I'm inclined to believe Bilka's recent update to the wiki, especially since the wiki used to say 90 too, and
・I can't figure out a way to get the new damage numbers to add up to 90.
② The bonus damage number (+140.4) isn't consistent either, because
・it resolves to a double application of the flammables bonus: 90+140.4=90×1.6²,
・the bonus listed on the flamethrower turret tooltip is only 60%, not 156%, and
・the only other bonus related to flamethrowers on the bonus page is that for flamethrower ammo, which flamethrower turrets do not use,
so either
・the bonus page text is imprecise in that it does not indicate that the flammables upgrades apply twice to flamethrower turrets,
or
・the number itself is inaccurate because there is no double application.

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Re: [0.17.41] Flamethrower turret tooltip inconsistent with (updated) wiki

Post by Theikkru » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:16 am

Klonan wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:29 pm
The 'stacks with ammo' is just a general label for all turrets (And it does stack with the damage bonus from using light oil as the 'ammo')
I should clarify that this was my understanding as well, but it's inconsistent with the number shown (+140.4, which corresponds to 60% applied twice, not 60% and then 10%). My references to 'flamethrower ammo' are to the item by that in-game name, not the ammo that a flamethrower turret uses.

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