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SupplyDepoo wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:47 am

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The results:
Windows: 70W
M1: 20W
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This difference in energy consumption equates to around £1.00 vs £0.50 in energy costs per day.[...]

I did some napkin math. I've seen that electricity price cap in the UK is 0.28£ per kWh (I used this source).
One would need about 1.786 kWh to achieve an additional cost of 0.50£, which, at 50W, would take around 35 hours and 40 minutes.
I'm wondering how you can squeeze over 35 hours of Factorio in a day.

If you manage to squeeze 5 hours of Factorio every day (which is a LOT once one has a job), one day of Factorio on Windows would cost around 7p per day. Just having a second laptop costed you so much more that it would take shy of 10 years to compensate for it (with current electricity price I reckon).

[Edit] I read somewhere that the x64 emulation on the M1 totally rocks, what kind of performance (both UPS wise and electricity wise).

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That being said, I'm not fundamentally against the optimizations for a new architecture, whether it's for M1, RISC-V, or a quantum computer. The only thing is : would it benefit to enough potential players to give the devs the will to invest time on it (knowing that in this case, it's not a linear investment, keeping ALL the versions compatible and desync-free will probably be exponentially complex with every new supported architecture).

Koub wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:52 pm

I did some napkin math. I've seen that electricity price cap in the UK is 0.28£ per kWh (I used this source).
One would need about 1.786 kWh to achieve an additional cost of 0.50£, which, at 50W, would take around 35 hours and 40 minutes.
I'm wondering how you can squeeze over 35 hours of Factorio in a day.

If you manage to squeeze 5 hours of Factorio every day (which is a LOT once one has a job), one day of Factorio on Windows would cost around 7p per day. Just having a second laptop costed you so much more that it would take shy of 10 years to compensate for it (with current electricity price I reckon).

Ah, you're right of course. I did the math in my head and messed up somehow, I think I forgot that I included the energy usage for some other games that are >100W. That said, 35h per day sounds about right to me. *looks at soaring Steam play time statistic* Thanks for correcting me, I'll delete that paragraph.

everything used by Factorio has native M1 support internally. they don't need to "optimize" for Apple silicon, merely provide a build for it that uses the correct ISA.

One important thing that follows when optimizing is less RAM usage. When using my 8GiB RAM M1 Air, I very soon finds that swapping occurs heavily. If it was compiled directly, it would be able to build a lot larger bases before swapping starts.

When swapping starts, it is only a slight performance degradation due to the unified architecture, however it wears down the NAND very fast.

Koub wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:52 pm

One would need about 1.786 kWh to achieve an additional cost of 0.50£

this is a pretty egocentric view of the world's power grids. not everyone lives at that scale. i have a 10kWh battery bank off grid but it cost me about $10k to get this setup.

more likely you'll find small off-grid setups with about 3kWh of total capacity and the incoming power is under 1kW in general. you need a fair amount to charge the batteries. in winter time with low sun, Factorio consuming more CPU is a real consideration as to whether we play or not.

that's why I got the Steam Deck.

As of version 1.1.71 wube has added native apple silicon support, and a little benchmarking from a redditor indicates Apple silicon users should see some performance improvements with this update.

Very excited to see this. When I originally opened this thread, based on what I'd read from various sources, I wasn't optimistic about getting native support for apple silicon. I can't afford to be sucked into the black abyss of addiction right now so I can't test it out, but I'm curious to hear everyone else's experiences.

spleut wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:06 pm

I can't afford to be sucked into the black abyss of addiction right now so I can't test it out

oh come on i'm sure it'll just be a few hours til you launch a rocket! it's so easy.

The Apple Silicon version is much better when running on an M1 Max, fans take a fair while to spin up and dont spin as high as the old build, generally feels more responsive on bigger factories too.

I am very interested what Apple Metal could do to further boost performance and whether this is on the cards, im sure the devs are dabbling!