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Rich text: remove "entity" in hints and tips
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:28 pm
by McDuff
TL;DR
Instead of printing "entity:boiler" or "entity:steam engine" in the hints and tips, just print the name.
What ?
I understand that in the game "entity:inserter" and "item:inserter" are different, but this difference does not seem to matter for any use cases of rich text - and in the hints and tips it feels redundant. I don't think new players need it specified that they can move coal from the "entity" variant of a boiler with an "entity" variant of an inserter. It would also help if this could be turned off in general. It's a tiny bit of polish - not necessary but might just make things look and read a bit easier.
Re: Rich text: remove "entity" in hints and tips
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:09 pm
by valneq
Footnote: did you know that you can hover these texts to get the tooltip of that entity/item? If you remove the "entity" and "item" prefixes, players might be surprised why they get (slightly?) different tooltips from hovering the "same" thing in different tips.
Re: Rich text: remove "entity" in hints and tips
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:24 pm
by eradicator
valneq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:09 pm
Footnote: did you know that you can hover these texts to get the tooltip of that entity/item?
Interesting. I'm more concerned that this is yet another instance of engine-internal terms leaking into the locale. There's gotta be a better word for "entity" - "Construct" maybe?
Re: Rich text: remove "entity" in hints and tips
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:03 am
by valneq
eradicator wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:24 pm
valneq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:09 pm
Footnote: did you know that you can hover these texts to get the tooltip of that entity/item?
Interesting. I'm more concerned that this is yet another instance of engine-internal terms leaking into the locale. There's gotta be a better word for "entity" - "Construct" maybe?
What do you mean with "leaking into locale"? The term "entity" is already used everywhere, and we have to translate it into all locales already.
Re: Rich text: remove "entity" in hints and tips
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:02 am
by kirazy
eradicator wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:24 pm
valneq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:09 pm
Footnote: did you know that you can hover these texts to get the tooltip of that entity/item?
Interesting. I'm more concerned that this is yet another instance of engine-internal terms leaking into the locale. There's gotta be a better word for "entity" - "Construct" maybe?
I don't think 'entity' is an internal term, though. Entity in practice encapsulates a whole slew of prototypes, most corresponding to structures and things that you interact with in the world.
Re: Rich text: remove "entity" in hints and tips
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:32 am
by Klonan
eradicator wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:24 pmThere's gotta be a better word for "entity" - "Construct" maybe?
There was in the past lot of fight and effort to keep 'entity' from appearing in the game (mostly with the NPE),
But really why? there was a lot of inconsistency, what is a machine, what is a building, what is a structure...
So I decided that players can handle the truth of the matter and the more precise vocabulary of entity
This isn't a Nickelodeon web game for 6 years olds, we don't need to protect the players from internal terms