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If oil shortage:
Synthetic liquid fuel from coal (CTL technology(coal-to-liquid))

CTL technology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_liquefaction
Direct and indirect processes
--DCL – Direct-to-Liquids
--ICL – Indirect-to-Liquids

Indirect (ICL) liquefaction processes generally involve gasification of coal to a mixture of carbon monoxide and hydrogen (syngas). By contrast, direct (DCL) liquefaction processes convert coal into liquids directly, without the intermediate step of gasification

Coal-water slurry fuel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-water_slurry_fuel
Coal-water slurry fuel is a combustionable mixture of fine coal particles suspended in water. It can be used to power boilers, gas turbines, diesel engines and heating and power stations.
Coal is required to produce liquid fuels, because this would require a lot of coal, there will be shortage of coal, required fuel; charcoal is needed to overcome the deficit.

if coal shortage or fuel: p.s. Fuel cell viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39703

1. Pyrolysis of wood:
I-Generation biofuels ----------------------------------II-Generation biofuels
--Syngas, or synthesis gas-------------------------------Syngas
--Charcoal----------------------------------------------- Charcoal
------------------------------------------------------------Bio-oil
2. Decomposition synthesis-gas
--condensate
--non-condensable gas

3. Decomposition of condensate
Lightweight resin
Heavy resin

4.I-Generation biofuels
Production of methanol from non-condensable gas
4.II-Generation biofuels
Get dimethyl ether from the non-condensable gas, or methanol

5. Production synthetic gasoline from dimethyl ether
6. Production of ethanol from methanol
7. Production of biodiesel (biofuel) from light resin and ethanol
8. Getting H2S2O7 from heavy resin
H2S2O7 -- pyrosulfuric acid (alternative spelling pyrosulphuric acid)
9. Preparation H2SO4 from water and H2S2O7
H2SO4 – sulfuric acid Radioisotope thermoelectric generator (RTG, RITEG)
In the factorio
A temporary generator, runs 30-50 days
Produces:120-180 W
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisot ... _generator

Wireless power transfer
- 40% efficiency
+ Long distance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power_transfer


Detonation generator
http://www.google.com/patents/US5800153
http://www.adam-armen.ru/article8/s8_eng.html

Propose add to the game:
Technology without electricity, technology based on the principles of mechanics and steam engines as steampunk, for example
Essential elements:
Flexible shaft
Universal joint
Hard shaft (axis)
Bowden cable
Chain (Chain drive)
Belt (mechanical)
Used to transmit power from one machineto another,
or from a machine which produces power to a machine which absorbs power.
The various members such as pulleys and gears are mounted on it.

I like it but the assembler should be a chemical plant.

Charcoal is a tricky thing since it would require all the relevant recipes to be doubled. Unless you mean purely for using it as fuel which is somewhat pointless since wood itself can be used as fuel.

I was thinking Wood should be burnable into Coal but there's a huge problem: How do you insert it? Stone and Steel Furnaces both require fuel and if you're using wood then how would it know if you want to use the wood as fuel or turn it into Coal? So this isn't possible in a Furnace, therefore it would need to be in an Assembler which just doesn't make sense.

Though I had not considered making oil out of coal and water, I like this idea as I always have far too much coal and never enough oil. Just a note that if you include both recipes you could essentially turn wood into oil which is a bit odd but meh?

Dron__ wrote:If oil shortage:
Synthetic liquid fuel from coal (CTL technology(coal-to-liquid))

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https://mods.factorio.com/mods/Klonan/Bergius_Process

This is very close to what you're asking for, and I think it's more in the spirit of Factorio.
Hope it gets added in vanilla one day.

Some mods already exist to do this sort of thing:
https://mods.factorio.com/mods/BoltzGaming/CoalToCrude
https://mods.factorio.com/mods/Emmote/CoalToHeavy
https://mods.factorio.com/mods/oresKa2/ ... production
https://mods.factorio.com/mods/Starfoth/Synthetic_Oil

There are more, but you get the idea.

Having played with the Coal to Crude & Synthetic Oil mods I can say that with this process you simply don't need to get oil outposts. The amount of coal you have produces more oil that you will need. If they do implement this as a process in vanilla then there will need to be some balancing of the coal-to-oil ratios. Oil outposts will have to produce far more oil than they currently do and the cracking/oil consumption will also need to be increased appropriately so that it's always better to get a new outpost, but you can supplement your supply with coal. Of course if you play with low settings or with only steam engines then it may be different, but they are your own constraints and not a vanilla playthrough.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's something that needs to be in the game. But it needs to be balanced.

I'd love to see more energy options.


I am absolutely supportive of more energy options, but I did want to point out that there currently exists a fairly nice way around this issue:
Light oil is converted into solid fuel at twice the efficiency as petroleum or heavy oil, and it has little other use so it's a great way to use up the huge volumes of it that collect up in your storage tanks. If you make a habit out of converting most of your light oil into solid fuel even before you need it, you may find yourself running out of petroleum much more quickly than you run out of solid fuel.

I like this idea, Just a note that if convert coal into gas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_liquefaction

Specific liquefaction technologies generally fall into two categories: direct (DCL) and indirect liquefaction (ICL) processes. Indirect liquefaction processes generally involve gasification of coal to a mixture of carbon monoxide and hydrogen (syngas) and then using a process such as Fischer–Tropsch process to convert the syngas mixture into liquid hydrocarbons.

Updated post.Added:Coal-water fuel,Electrolysis,Fuel cell, Updated image

As Koub said, the Bergius Process mod is probably closest to what would end up in-game. However, with the increase in coal consumption due to grenades for military science in 0.15, and increases in oil patch depletion point with distance from spawn, it seems less likely at this point.

Also: Flamethrowers need to burn slow enough for the fluid to reach the target. Hydrogen combustion would be more like a blowtorch!

Updated post

Koub wrote:https://mods.factorio.com/mods/Klonan/Bergius_Process

This is very close to what you're asking for, and I think it's more in the spirit of Factorio.
Hope it gets added in vanilla one day.

Posting from after the release of v0.15, I can say you nailed it. The Coal Liquefaction recipe in v0.15 is basically Klonan's Bergius Process mod with the two steps combined into one.

I'm considering trying my hand at implementing some of the other suggestions as a mod, though.