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they should make electric boilers

Post by piggy2 » Sat May 24, 2014 11:56 am

you should make electric boilers so late in the game you don't need coal
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Post by Trucario » Sat May 24, 2014 12:05 pm

piggy2 wrote:you should make electric boilers so late in the game you don't need coal
You burn the coal to make boiled water to generate electricity in the steam engines.
If you have electricity why do you need to spent it into the boilers to generate LESS energy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

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Post by Drury » Sat May 24, 2014 1:43 pm

Congratulations, you have just solved the energy crisis.

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Post by Gammro » Sat May 24, 2014 2:34 pm

For modding purposes though, adding a heater that works on electricity may be interesting for recipes that would require heated fluids.
I tried modding it myself very quickly, but the game won't have it, boilers requiring to be burners is hardcoded.
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Post by Panis » Sat May 24, 2014 3:17 pm

Gammro wrote:For modding purposes though, adding a heater that works on electricity may be interesting for recipes that would require heated fluids.
You can still heat up fluids with coal powered boiler.

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Post by Gammro » Sat May 24, 2014 3:26 pm

Panis wrote:
Gammro wrote:For modding purposes though, adding a heater that works on electricity may be interesting for recipes that would require heated fluids.
You can still heat up fluids with coal powered boiler.
I know that, but having the boiler type not be as rigid in power source would be nice for modding purposes.
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Post by Phy » Sat May 24, 2014 5:23 pm

After that we can work on solar powered flashlights.

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Post by Chthon » Sat May 24, 2014 5:55 pm

Phy wrote:After that we can work on solar powered flashlights.
They already exist actually. They simply require more light than they produce when turned on. They store said light as energy for use later.

I concur with more flexible boilers though. Hot water might be useful for other purposes than just power. Also you are ignoring such things as solar water heaters (quite large, but still effective at boiling water) and liquid fueled boilers.

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Post by Kitefr » Sat May 24, 2014 6:16 pm

I think it is a pretty good idea.

It's like a perpetual cycle but it can be a make-or-break situation.
Electrical boilers can require a little amount of energy.
But if you do it too early and don't have devices to store electricity and your system broke, then to launch the system again, you need to put a coal boiler again !

This can be really interesting to play with !

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Post by BurnHard » Sat May 24, 2014 6:39 pm

To make this work without wasting massive amounts of electricity you'll have to beat the laws of thermodynamics first. :)

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Post by Colombo » Sat May 24, 2014 7:46 pm

I am chaotic evil. I don't care about some laws:P

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Post by Kitefr » Sat May 24, 2014 7:55 pm

Laws are made to be bent :D

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Post by Drury » Sat May 24, 2014 8:15 pm

We should also have magnet generators that attract themselves into spinning, generating large amounts of electricity for free.
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Post by FishSandwich » Sat May 24, 2014 8:18 pm

piggy2 wrote:you should make electric boilers so late in the game you don't need coal
You could just swap coal out for solid fuel, that's a lateish game thing.

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Post by DrNoid » Sat May 24, 2014 8:42 pm

If you're complaining about thermodynamics, you should start with complaining about the fact that steam engines don't run on water of 100°C, but on pressurised steam.

That said, as long as there are no other uses for steam/hot water, there is not much point in using electric boilers.
Using coal to heat water, to produce electricity to heat water is pointless.
Using solar power to produce electricity to heat water is currently pointless, since capacitors are more efficient.

Solar boilers, to pre-heat water could be useful for reducing the coal consumption.

Making things more flexible for modding is always good. If a mod comes up with more uses for hot water, then an electric boiler should also be possible.

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Post by Teurlinx » Sat May 24, 2014 8:43 pm

DrNoid wrote:If you're complaining about thermodynamics, you should start with complaining about the fact that steam engines don't run on water of 100°C, but on pressurised steam.

That said, as long as there are no other uses for steam/hot water, there is not much point in using electric boilers.
Using coal to heat water, to produce electricity to heat water is pointless.
Using solar power to produce electricity to heat water is currently pointless, since capacitors are more efficient.

Solar boilers, to pre-heat water could be useful for reducing the coal consumption.

Making things more flexible for modding is always good. If a mod comes up with more uses for hot water, then an electric boiler should also be possible.
You just made every point I wanted to make :)

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Post by Neotix » Sat May 24, 2014 8:52 pm

Electric boilers are useless ATM because we have no liquids needed to be heated instead of water, and heat water is used only to produce electricity.
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