[YouTube] Factorio Fixit

[-root]

It took us 4 people in tanks, with 100 tank shells, >= 100 repair packs, almost 3 stacks of bullets and ~130 distracter caps each to wipe the last onion layer of bases

The same ones I was wiping out by myself?

[LordFedora]

not the same ones, the ones that enabled me to build the circuit outpost, we got ~500 artifacts (only ~130 made them home however)

[-root]

not the same ones, the ones that enabled me to build the circuit outpost, we got ~500 artifacts (only ~130 made them home however)

Ah right. I feel like thats a really sad story. Over 4 of us marched out. Only one made it back alive .

[LordFedora]

We started with 5 tanks, built 3 during the siege, and ended with 3...

The best moment was when one of us got away with 2 hp on the tank, only for a medium spitter walk up, boop the turret, and then walk away...

[Canyew]

Hello -root. Over at my post viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7323 someone suggested to contact you for some help. I was wondering if you would like to do a multiplayer on my factory to help me figure out how to streamline my factory, fix it up. Improve my skills. I am pretty new, about 2 or 3 weeks old but I feel I really grasp the game well. I just don't know a lot of the tricks and how to do certain things yet. (I still have yet to figure out rails and logistics bots) I am off this monday and tuesday from work so if thats the best time to do a stream let me know (12-22 and 12-23)

[Piranha]

Hello -root. Over at my post viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7323 someone suggested to contact you for some help. I was wondering if you would like to do a multiplayer on my factory to help me figure out how to streamline my factory, fix it up. Improve my skills. I am pretty new, about 2 or 3 weeks old but I feel I really grasp the game well. I just don't know a lot of the tricks and how to do certain things yet. (I still have yet to figure out rails and logistics bots) I am off this monday and tuesday from work so if thats the best time to do a stream let me know (12-22 and 12-23)

Just remember:

-Corners look nicer than splitters
-Lights are worthless, just turn your gamma up
-Put inserters opposite each other off by 1 square so they don't block one another
-Use just one line for copper and iron and build everything off that, you can always upgrade the belt speed when it gets long
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Did I miss anything -root?

I think I covered the basics, he probably doesn't need a fix it now


[I sent him here, just thought I would have some fun in your thread]

[-root]

stuff

I'm keen. I don't have internet at the moment, so can't MP. But I'm keen to do it next year when i'm online again.

-Corners look nicer than splitters
-Lights are worthless, just turn your gamma up
-Put inserters opposite each other off by 1 square so they don't block one another
-Use just one line for copper and iron and build everything off that, you can always upgrade the belt speed when it gets long

You missed one:

- Put copper cables on a belt and try to run everything off it.

Thanks for the referral, when do I get to do one of your factories?

[Piranha]

Hmm maybe in the new year, I'll have to look through some of my old save that I never finished.. Almost done the map I'm playing now, maybe my next game I'll max some random settings, fail hard then submit it

..or maybe I'll make a game purposely to mess with you, how does no iron or copper on a belt sound? Couple that with 3 single lane belts feeding 1 side of an assembly machine? or how about only using burner inserters?* This is intriguing me now.. haha how awful could one make a base.. should I really be that cruel though?


*the only using burner inserters actually sounds like an interesting challenge, every belt would have to be half coal.. what a mess

[-root]

haha how awful could one make a base.. should I really be that cruel though?

Seriously, if you want to completely ruin a base, I'll try and fixit I invite the challenge

[LordFedora]

Burners only refuel themselves when they are holding coal, and they only hold coal out the reviving side wants coal

[Piranha]

I beg to differ...


Edit: I just realized I posted the solution if half and half belts wouldn't work.. let me go test original idea

[Piranha]

Tested the original idea

1. Nothing Fueled
2. 4 red circle inserters get 1 piece of wood to start
3. wood and copper put on belts
4. the fueled inserters grab wood and fuel themselves
5. the 2 remaining inserters are fueled by the burner inserters
6. working like a charm



Tried to make it fail (cut fuel out for a moment then restarted it) and this happened..

[Piranha]

So to recap:

-the half belts would probably work if fuel never had a stoppage but may fail if holding an item other than fuel when it runs out.
-using burner inserters to insert fuel into the burner inserters pulling items works and actually would create a nice safety backlog by the looks of it.
--also you can limit the backlog with limiting how much the box could hold


This idea grew to much, looks like I might have to make this messed up base after all..
I'll probably start it in the new year -root... gives you time to prepare haha.

[n9103]

Burner inserters will being looking for fuel as soon as they don't have a piece in reserve, and otherwise acting as normal.
Being that there are a couple dozen item movements per piece of wood, and they don't burn fuel when not working, it takes a rather large interruption in the fuel supply to kill them.
If interruptions are likely/expected, use coal or solid fuel to give them a longer window to find fuel in.

[Piranha]

Burner inserters will being looking for fuel as soon as they don't have a piece in reserve, and otherwise acting as normal.
Being that there are a couple dozen item movements per piece of wood, and they don't burn fuel when not working, it takes a rather large interruption in the fuel supply to kill them.
If interruptions are likely/expected, use coal or solid fuel to give them a longer window to find fuel in.

Interesting.. I used wood for the test because it burns faster and purposely waited for one to run out.. although since this idea is to make it a messy difficult base to 'fix' maybe i'll toss in a bit of both designs..

[n9103]

I find that the last boiler is a good candidate for burner inserters, due to the seldom movements needed, easy access to fuel, and desirability for a fail-safe fuel inserter for power generation.
If burner miners weren't so inefficient in power use, I might use one of them to trickle coal in a similar fashion. As is, they're only useful for digging up tiny patches in places I don't feel like running power.
While burner buildings are generally worthless immediately after electricity is built, there are some niche cases where they can be useful.

[Piranha]

Well I had some time tonight so I decided to mess around.. I just got oil processing but I feel like this would be the fastest/easiest fix it ever.. for attempting to make a difficult base to fix I actually made a reasonably effective base.. albeit is it messy and only has 1 green and 1 red feeding 1 lab

Maybe if my challenge to you is to get blue science running but stay with only using burner inserters it could be quite a challenge..


I don't know, if you want to look at it I can send the file..

I think I will keep messing around though, maybe a little more advanced/ a little less coal

[-root]

Took me a moment to work out where the hell this thread had ended up and how on earth it got there. I understand now I won't be back on deck for another week or so Piranha, keep playing around with it and give me a real challenge.

Also, remember, its factorio fixit. Which means that i "fix" factories. Burner inserters are real easy to fix

[n9103]

unless there's no iron or no copper, and no spare inserters, and most of the burners dried up before they could get more fuel...

[ola_fredriksson]

I have a factory which is a challenge to me I have a few issues:
- I am running out of resources in initial base
- Biters keep killing my bots
can you help?