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MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:48 pm
by DJQuad
I might be missing something but what's the point of High Capacity MK3 Accumulators when they don't charge fast enough? I have enough MK3 Panels to last during the day (7.2 GW) but at night I run out of power. I tried adding Fast MK3s but it hasn't helped much. I have 45k High Capacity MK3s and 12k Fast MK3s.

The accumulators in total generate 389 GJ but only last until around 2:00 am. I'm also using BobAAAces' blueprint and the ratios seem fine.

Re: MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:53 pm
by bobingabout
DJQuad wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:48 pm I might be missing something but what's the point of High Capacity MK3 Accumulators when they don't charge fast enough? I have enough MK3 Panels to last during the day (7.2 GW) but at night I run out of power. I tried adding Fast MK3s but it hasn't helped much. I have 45k High Capacity MK3s and 12k Fast MK3s.

The accumulators in total generate 389 GJ but only last until around 2:00 am. I'm also using BobAAAces' blueprint and the ratios seem fine.
Well, then you'd want more accumulators. The day is about 3 times the length of the night, and the charge and discharge as the same speed, so if you're running out of power before morning, then you just don't have enough Accumulators to last the night. and if you can't fully charge them by the end of the day, then you don't have enough solar panels.

Though if you want to force them to last all night long, use slow accumulators, that's what they're designed for. I calculated how long it would take to last all night long, then basically set their discharge rate vs capacity to last all night long, under the assumption that they're fully charged at the start of night.
This means your base will operate in a low power state if you don't have enough of them, but you won't totally black out.

Re: MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:55 pm
by DJQuad
Thanks for the reply. Should I scrap what I have and transition to all slow accumulators then? Or just add them without more panels? I'm not sure how many should be added.

Also, I'm not sure if you're aware but BobAAAces BP has 3.8k panels and 3.2k accumulators. I just used upgrade planner to replace the panels and accumulators.

Re: MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:48 pm
by bobingabout
DJQuad wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:55 pm Thanks for the reply. Should I scrap what I have and transition to all slow accumulators then? Or just add them without more panels? I'm not sure how many should be added.

Also, I'm not sure if you're aware but BobAAAces BP has 3.8k panels and 3.2k accumulators. I just used upgrade planner to replace the panels and accumulators.
I don't think you should need to replace them, a combination would probably be better, but that does sound like a lot of panels and accumulators. You must have a pretty huge power draw if it isn't enough.

Re: MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:21 pm
by DJQuad
A combination of what?

Here's a screenshot taken at 10:04 am.
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I can take another at a specific time if it would help.

Re: MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:19 am
by DJQuad
This makes no sense to me. I did plop down a few more fast ones and I guess it's ok now. This was at 6:39 am -
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This is giving me as headache :)

Re: MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:26 pm
by bobingabout
Part of the problem with fast accumulators is their relative low storage capacity. so they'll charge pretty fast during the day then stop. you'll either need A LOT MORE of them, or to change them out of High Capacity ones.

Re: MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:05 pm
by DJQuad
You've said both use slow ones and high capacity ones in different replies. Just so I'm clear, moving forward I should use slow (replacing fast ones) and high capacity?

Re: MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:45 am
by bobingabout
DJQuad wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:05 pm You've said both use slow ones and high capacity ones in different replies. Just so I'm clear, moving forward I should use slow (replacing fast ones) and high capacity?
Yes. And if they're not fully charged by 8PM, you need more solar panels.

Re: MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:49 am
by bobingabout
bobingabout wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:45 am
DJQuad wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:05 pm You've said both use slow ones and high capacity ones in different replies. Just so I'm clear, moving forward I should use slow (replacing fast ones) and high capacity?
Yes. And if they're not fully charged by 8PM, you need more solar panels.
Fast are best used as a buffer between networks where capacity isn't the main feature required.
Slow (assuming fully charged by nightfall) are guaranteed to last all night long.
High Capacity are probably just the best overall battery banks, as they have the highest capacity.

People often make smaller power networks, linked together by 2 power poles powering the same accumulator, with no actual cable between them. it's a method of limiting power throughput. More accumulators in this spot would mean a higher limit. That's what Fast is basically for.

Re: MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:00 pm
by DJQuad
Thanks, that helps a lot. So the ratios on those big grid blueprints that use normal panels and accumulators shouldn't be used for your solar power? It sounds like I just need a lot more panels to get the accumulators charged properly.

Re: MK3 Accumulators

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:55 pm
by bobingabout
DJQuad wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:00 pm Thanks, that helps a lot. So the ratios on those big grid blueprints that use normal panels and accumulators shouldn't be used for your solar power? It sounds like I just need a lot more panels to get the accumulators charged properly.
The ratios are a bit different, yeah.