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You're welcome.RocketManChronicles wrote:These are welcomed updates. Thanks Bobingabout!
That's understandable. The mods are working really well together right now. I just unlocked the mk4 robots in my playthrough; which leads me to a question:bobingabout wrote:You're welcome.RocketManChronicles wrote:These are welcomed updates. Thanks Bobingabout!
I must admit, it has been eerily quiet these past few days. Almost like people are afraid to talk in case I change something else as a result.
Ha. No just everyone is busy with rebuilding basic items production after your changes.bobingabout wrote:You're welcome.RocketManChronicles wrote:These are welcomed updates. Thanks Bobingabout!
I must admit, it has been eerily quiet these past few days. Almost like people are afraid to talk in case I change something else as a result.
There may have been another mod that added car MK2 and MK3, but not in my mod.Kryzeth wrote:Is it just me, or did there used to be a car mk2 and mk3? Am I just misremembering? I only noticed now because with some ordering mods, the tanks end up a row below the car, and make it clear there's no mk2 or mk3 car. Not saying it needs to exist, but just that it stood out to me, because I swear there used to be higher tiers of cars...
Well, I want to try and give Logistics a break, and work on something else.steinio wrote:What are your next ideas?
Electrum was only used by 1 recipe in all my mods, and I never did like the metal, since it's real world application is... to be used as a source of gold and silver. So, I removed it from my mods.Power:
Increased maximum fluid usage of Oil Generator to 4 per second
Fixed Steam power technology prerequisites
Replaced electrum with gold in solar panels MK3
Plates:
Updated the Logistic tab icon to use new robot graphics
Removed electrum
Added Pure water recipe colours for the chemical plant.
Currently, top end steam engines and turbines have 120% efficiency, I want to give all steam engines 100% efficiency across the board, leaving the efficiency entirely down to the boilers. This still leaves the consumption per tick, and steam temperature as upgrades for the steam engine, with Efficiency and Temperature for the boiler.Reduce steam engine efficiency to be 100% across the board.
Add T5 steam
Remove steel furnace from boiler 2 and replace with steel pipe. Lower all science packs 1 tier.
Consider increasing heat exchanger and steam turbine temp to 515 instead of 500.
HE to ST isn't even ballanced, the HE makes 10MW of steam and the ST uses 5.8MW
electric boilers?
look at substation costs and scale up?
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0.2kW * 0.5 * 60 * 150 * 1 = 900kW (SE1 with B1)
0.2kW * 0.625 * 60 * 150 * 1.1 = 1237.5kW (SE2 with B1)
0.2kW * 0.75 * 60 * 150 * 1.2 = 1620kW (SE3 with B1)
0.2kW * 0.625 * 60 * 220 * 1.1 = 1815kW (SE2 with B2)
0.2kW * 0.75 * 60 * 220 * 1.2 = 2376kW (SE3 with B2)
0.2kW * 0.625 * 60 * 260 * 1.1 = 2145kW (Maximum of SE2)
0.2kW * 0.75 * 60 * 290 * 1.2 = 3132kW (SE3 with B3)
0.2kW * 0.75 * 60 * 360 * 1.2 = 3888kW (SE3 with B4)
0.2kW * 0.75 * 60 * 370 * 1.2 = 3996kW (maximum of SE3)Code: Select all
0.2kW * 0.5 * 60 * 150 = 900kW * 1 = 900kW (SE1 with B1)
0.2kW * 0.6 * 60 * 220 = 1584kW * 1.066 = 1688.5kW (SE2 with B2)
0.2kW * 0.7 * 60 * 290 = 2436kW * 1.133 = 2760kW (SE3 with B3)
0.2kW * 0.8 * 60 * 360 = 3456kW * 1.2 = 4147.2kW (SE4 with B4)Code: Select all
0.2kW * 0.5 * 60 * 150 = 900kW (SE1 with B1)
0.2kW * 0.6 * 60 * 220 = 1584kW (SE2 with B2)
0.2kW * 0.7 * 60 * 290 = 2436kW (SE3 with B3)
0.2kW * 0.8 * 60 * 360 = 3456kW (SE4 with B4)
0.2kW * 0.9 * 60 * 430 = 4644kW (SE5 with B5)
0.2kW * 0.5 * 60 * 150 = 900kW (SE1 with B1)
0.2kW * 0.6 * 60 * 210 = 1512kW (SE2 with B2)
0.2kW * 0.7 * 60 * 270 = 2268kW (SE3 with B3)
0.2kW * 0.8 * 60 * 330 = 3168kW (SE4 with B4)
0.2kW * 0.9 * 60 * 390 = 4212kW (SE5 with B5)It's the calm before the stormbobingabout wrote: I must admit, it has been eerily quiet these past few days. Almost like people are afraid to talk in case I change something else as a result.
I checked for electrum in seablock pack. There seems to be one additional recipe in sciencecostweaker (https://mods.factorio.com/mod/ScienceCostTweakerM), which is in the chain of high tech science:bobingabout wrote: I've already made the following changes that haven't been released yet:Electrum was only used by 1 recipe in all my mods, and I never did like the metal, since it's real world application is... to be used as a source of gold and silver. So, I removed it from my mods.Power:
Increased maximum fluid usage of Oil Generator to 4 per second
Fixed Steam power technology prerequisites
Replaced electrum with gold in solar panels MK3
Plates:
Updated the Logistic tab icon to use new robot graphics
Removed electrum
Added Pure water recipe colours for the chemical plant.
The generator, will, that's mostly because other mods like seablock change all my fuel values. setting it to 4 lets it reach it's potential in that mod. it also lets you get a little more energy per second from fuels like Hydrazine and Hydrogen.
i suspect this is something done by TrainWreck, since in SCT thermal store only requires copper platejodokus31 wrote:I checked for electrum in seablock pack. There seems to be one additional recipe in sciencecostweaker (https://mods.factorio.com/mod/ScienceCostTweakerM), which is in the chain of high tech science:bobingabout wrote: I've already made the following changes that haven't been released yet:Electrum was only used by 1 recipe in all my mods, and I never did like the metal, since it's real world application is... to be used as a source of gold and silver. So, I removed it from my mods.Power:
Increased maximum fluid usage of Oil Generator to 4 per second
Fixed Steam power technology prerequisites
Replaced electrum with gold in solar panels MK3
Plates:
Updated the Logistic tab icon to use new robot graphics
Removed electrum
Added Pure water recipe colours for the chemical plant.
The generator, will, that's mostly because other mods like seablock change all my fuel values. setting it to 4 lets it reach it's potential in that mod. it also lets you get a little more energy per second from fuels like Hydrazine and Hydrogen.
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{
type = "recipe",
name = "sct-htech-thermalstore",
category = "advanced-crafting",
icon_size = 32,
icon = "__ScienceCostTweakerM__/graphics/icons/sct-htech-thermalstore.png",
subgroup = "sct-sciencepack-hightech",
order = "b[thermalstore]",
enabled = "false",
energy_required = 3.5,
ingredients =
{
{type="item", name="copper-plate", amount=40}
},
results =
{
{type="item", name="sct-htech-thermalstore", amount=1},
{type="item", name="sct-waste-copperonly", amount=1}
},
},
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data.raw.recipe["sct-htech-thermalstore"].ingredients =
{
{type="item", name="electrum-alloy", amount=20},
{type="item", name="cobalt-steel-alloy", amount=20}
}
ah right, my bad.ukezi wrote:That is science cost tweaker.in the bob's tweaks. The part you posted is for vanilla. that can easy be replaced. Electrum for that is silly anyway.Code: Select all
data.raw.recipe["sct-htech-thermalstore"].ingredients = { {type="item", name="electrum-alloy", amount=20}, {type="item", name="cobalt-steel-alloy", amount=20} }
I have considered that too, but haven't done anything about it yet. Considering I replaced Electrum with Gold in the one recipe that uses it, plus gold being a component, I have considered adding a migration to turn it into gold.mexmer wrote:ah right, my bad.ukezi wrote:That is science cost tweaker.in the bob's tweaks. The part you posted is for vanilla. that can easy be replaced. Electrum for that is silly anyway.Code: Select all
data.raw.recipe["sct-htech-thermalstore"].ingredients = { {type="item", name="electrum-alloy", amount=20}, {type="item", name="cobalt-steel-alloy", amount=20} }
i will look at that later today, and think about replacement.
will need to recheck tech tree.
problem will be with migration tho' since people might have already setup for electrum and then it will stop working.
i was thinking about gold or aluminium.bobingabout wrote:I have considered that too, but haven't done anything about it yet. Considering I replaced Electrum with Gold in the one recipe that uses it, plus gold being a component, I have considered adding a migration to turn it into gold.mexmer wrote:ah right, my bad.ukezi wrote:That is science cost tweaker.in the bob's tweaks. The part you posted is for vanilla. that can easy be replaced. Electrum for that is silly anyway.Code: Select all
data.raw.recipe["sct-htech-thermalstore"].ingredients = { {type="item", name="electrum-alloy", amount=20}, {type="item", name="cobalt-steel-alloy", amount=20} }
i will look at that later today, and think about replacement.
will need to recheck tech tree.
problem will be with migration tho' since people might have already setup for electrum and then it will stop working.
I'm not sure it quite fits the usage for a high tech science item though, but that is what I've been considering.
If the cobalt is an indication of tech level this is oriented at, then I'd agree with Aluminium.mexmer wrote:i was thinking about gold or aluminium.bobingabout wrote:I have considered that too, but haven't done anything about it yet. Considering I replaced Electrum with Gold in the one recipe that uses it, plus gold being a component, I have considered adding a migration to turn it into gold.mexmer wrote:ah right, my bad.ukezi wrote:That is science cost tweaker.in the bob's tweaks. The part you posted is for vanilla. that can easy be replaced. Electrum for that is silly anyway.Code: Select all
data.raw.recipe["sct-htech-thermalstore"].ingredients = { {type="item", name="electrum-alloy", amount=20}, {type="item", name="cobalt-steel-alloy", amount=20} }
i will look at that later today, and think about replacement.
will need to recheck tech tree.
problem will be with migration tho' since people might have already setup for electrum and then it will stop working.
I'm not sure it quite fits the usage for a high tech science item though, but that is what I've been considering.
While gold makes more sense as electrum replacement (since it's mainly gold and some silver), aluminium looks like better option, technology progress wise.
that recipe is from uberwaffe, so i can only guess, since he is not playing anymore, and not developing SCT.bobingabout wrote:If the cobalt is an indication of tech level this is oriented at, then I'd agree with Aluminium.mexmer wrote:i was thinking about gold or aluminium.bobingabout wrote:I have considered that too, but haven't done anything about it yet. Considering I replaced Electrum with Gold in the one recipe that uses it, plus gold being a component, I have considered adding a migration to turn it into gold.mexmer wrote:ah right, my bad.ukezi wrote:That is science cost tweaker.in the bob's tweaks. The part you posted is for vanilla. that can easy be replaced. Electrum for that is silly anyway.Code: Select all
data.raw.recipe["sct-htech-thermalstore"].ingredients = { {type="item", name="electrum-alloy", amount=20}, {type="item", name="cobalt-steel-alloy", amount=20} }
i will look at that later today, and think about replacement.
will need to recheck tech tree.
problem will be with migration tho' since people might have already setup for electrum and then it will stop working.
I'm not sure it quite fits the usage for a high tech science item though, but that is what I've been considering.
While gold makes more sense as electrum replacement (since it's mainly gold and some silver), aluminium looks like better option, technology progress wise.
That's basically what I'd do.mexmer wrote:that recipe is from uberwaffe, so i can only guess, since he is not playing anymore, and not developing SCT.
but i think gold is quite low tech compared to electrum anyways. not sure who else and where uses electrum.
not sure, how to write migration tho', if i should just override all requester boxes ... also there will be problems with people having setup production chain for electrum ...
might just set it, so it will check for electrum (eg. someone using old mod), and it will leave recipe as is, and if electrum is not present, i will set it to use aluminium. and leave fixing broken production chain up to players
I'd consider Tungsten, or Titanium if you want a slightly higher tech. Perhaps Ceramic. Titanium is a bit overused though.jodokus31 wrote:I think a rather high tier material is valid to use here, since its high tech science:
- Tungsten plate?
- Tungsten carbide? (production science needed)
- Copper-tungsten? (production science needed)
- Nickel plate? Not very advanced, but not used anywhere else. (Maybe also a subject to remove?)
- Zinc plate? Not very advanced, but not used in high quantities beside battery2