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Re: Accumulator / Solar panel ratio

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creepercrack wrote:I did this to simplify the math
You simplified it too much. The first 30% of dawn and dusk do not require accumulators, because they are producing more than 42kW.
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If you cut out the green regions, it reduces the accumulator power needed to only 100 seconds, not 125.

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DaveMcW wrote:
creepercrack wrote:I did this to simplify the math
You simplified it too much. The first 30% of dawn and dusk do not require accumulators, because they are producing more than 42kW.
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If you cut out the green regions, it reduces the accumulator power needed to only 100 seconds, not 125.
Now I see it, I was wrong, thanks!

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Looks like in this thread will be someone who will help me.

I am just testing Solar/accumulator ratio alchemy with 20 radars. Radars have constant power usage so they are good for testing.

20 radars have 6 MW power usage. That means I need 100KJ for every game tick.
If my calculations are right, then I need 150 accumulators to keep it working in night. (100 KJ x 7500 ticks = 750 MJ -> 750 MJ /5 MJ = 150 accumulators)

To test if it's the right value, I pre-charged them with 100 solar panels which generates just 6MW -> same power like needed by 20 radars. After the cells were fully charged, I connected radars to the circuit with 100 solar panels and 150 pre-charged accumulators in mid-day.
Then something strange happened. Even the everything was balanced, about first 4 seconds the radars used the energy stored in accumulators instead of solar panels, so I had to add one solar panel for a short time to refill the accumulators to full capacity again.

The first test passed. The radars worked on 100% for the whole night and the stored power at the end of dawn was 0J. The second test was without re-charging accumulators after connecting radars. This one almost passed. There was just for less than 1 second 5.98 MW power usage.

So, let's continue.
I just need to generate the 2500 MJ during the whole daytime. -> 2500 MJ / 17500 game ticks = 142+(6/7) KJ per game tick. (142+(6/7)) KJ * 60 game ticks = 8571+(3/7) KW -> / 60 = 142+(6/7) solar panels which is just rounded 143 solar panels.

Now the practice test which have the different result:
Looks like the 143 solar panels is good number because the accumulators are accumulating or discharging almost continuously for almost 100% of daytime and the accumulators are always charged to 100%. BUT I've found that I have 150MJ of useless reverse which is just 30 accumulators. So In the end I just need only 120 accumulators instead of 150. And this is where I am getting lost in my math. :D

Edit. I think I am getting it. Because there is more solar panels, the energy production during dawn and dusk is higher so less accumulators is needed. Easy to calculate.

Edit 2 - the final result (yeah, finally! :D :D ):

For 6 MW power consumption we need exactly:
8571+(3/7) KW solar panels
600 MJ capacity of accumulators

So, the result is we need 25/21 (= 1.190476^_ (period 6)) more solar panels than accumulators. Or we can say we need 21/25 (=0,84) accumulators per solar panel. Or we can say we need 25 solar panels per 21 accumulators. So the OP post is 100% accurate. :D

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Re: Accumulator / Solar panel ratio

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from my ingame tests (0.18) it seems to be slightly more than 0.84, more like 0.8407 ...
and your base may only consume 69.99% of your solar panel's production
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ownlyme wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:29 pm
from my ingame tests (0.18) it seems to be slightly more than 0.84, more like 0.8407 ...
and your base may only consume 69.99% of your solar panel's production
Tests vs Math... Good luck.

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