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Maybe someone who got harassed for being illegitimate might be more sensitive to the word too. Point is, it's possible.

The world doesn't need to be black and white, there are many types of people, and many types of games. If a game doesn't suit one person because of mild language content, thas perfectly fine.

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FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:Maybe someone who got harassed for being illegitimate might be more sensitive to the word too. Point is, it's possible.

The world doesn't need to be black and white, there are many types of people, and many types of games. If a game doesn't suit one person because of mild language content, thas perfectly fine.
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Certainly! If I came across as stern or rebuking in some way, I apologize, it not the intent. Text loses much of what is supposed to be communicated (shrug).

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I am brazilian and from italian descent (as most of southern Brazil). This combines two cultures that speaks bad words frequently.
Kids here learn to curse so soon that calling someone "bastard" is a bit lame because it is not that offensive. We use curses like w**re and m**f**r from young age.

As a previous commenter said... Sounds like typical U.S. problem.

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Okay, looks like a decision has been reached, with three major points:
  • People don't care a lot about bad words.
  • People really like the current name.
  • People from the U.S. (except Rseding91) are stupid.
Overall, it looks like a successful thread!
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Jap2.0 wrote:
  • People from the U.S. (except Rseding91) are stupid.
Cultural things are a complicated thing to deal with, and are often not understandable by outsiders - because there's nothing to understand, it's often "like that". And the "needs to be morally acceptable" thing is probably not the aspect of the US I (from France) find the most WTF. But that's never really a problem, we can do with our particularities (except the day somebody stores my cheese in the fridge, along with the bottle of red wine. That's a declaration of war :mrgreen: ).
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SirSmuggler wrote:
FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:The word "Bastard" doesn't offend me personally, but I could certainly see others taking some offense and not buy the game.
I find the thought of some one rejecting this game for the sole reason of the word "bastard" in one achivment, while having no problems with the constat murder of indigenous species, very amusing to say the least :lol:
In America, showing a decapitation is fine, but showing full-frontal nudity makes it adult-only.
In Europe, showing full-frontal nudity is fine, but showing violence makes it adult-only.

I'm an American, but I'm with the Europeans on this one. My country is absurd in a whole lot of ways, but the tolerance for killing people and intolerance for making people is especially bizarre and unnatural.

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Koub wrote:
Jap2.0 wrote:
  • People from the U.S. (except Rseding91) are stupid.
Cultural things are a complicated thing to deal with, and are often not understandable by outsiders - because there's nothing to understand, it's often "like that". And the "needs to be morally acceptable" thing is probably not the aspect of the US I (from France) find the most WTF. But that's never really a problem, we can do with our particularities (except the day somebody stores my cheese in the fridge, along with the bottle of red wine. That's a declaration of war :mrgreen: ).
But... cheese goes in the fridge.
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Jap2.0 wrote:But... cheese goes in the fridge.
HEresy
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It would be a wise decision to use milder language, if having the stronger language is not really serving any purpose, and is not following a common theme across the game. I don't think the discussion around censorship is all that relevant.

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Yes, that, exactly. If people understand the term exactly as it is meant, then it's the appropriate term. If parts of the term do not contribute to the correct understanding, then they are inappropriate. As a rule of thumb, don't use insults if you achive nothing by it (it cheapens the insult). Censorship has nothing to do with it.[1]

The conveyed meaning is -I think- a person that is so absurdly lazy, that he actually makes things more complicated.

Like a couch potato who refuses to get up to reach something [2]. As a non-native speaker (German) I'm not quiet sure on the connotations of bastard, or if "lazy bastard" is a fixed idom (which it seams to be, judging from the comments here). As a literal translation, bastard seems to me like an out of place, unneccessary insult. In German, the translation could have been "Fauler Hund" (lazy dog) instead of "Faule Socke" (lazy sock). But while "Faule Socke" is humorous and ironic, "Fauler Hund" is an expression of anger (except if you live in bavaria, bavarian idoms often sound very mean-spirited to other dialects). I suspect it might be similar with "lazy bastard", and I'd like to hear from native speakers how that expression compares to stuff like "lazybones" and "slacker".


[1] There was an uproar in Germay calling it censorship, when puplishers replace the word "negro" in old children's books. That was bullshit, it was simply a matter of adapting the language so that the meaning is understood by children. The word "negro" changed, it lost all the romanticism of far away lands which was once connected to it, but gained a heap of racist baggage. Even book publishers can not make the language what they want it to be, but need to adapt.

[2] This might be an interesting idea for an achivement similar to "You are doing it right!". Cover more distance by car or train than by foot.

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To me at least the way most people would take it is. You are so lazy that to avoid do any amount of excess work you would end up do even more work then the original task required.

For example. That's say you go to the store and have a car full of stuff. You could carry it in a few bags at a time but that requires 6 trips between the vehicle and house. So instead you remove the fence from the front yard. Chip down the tree in your way and construct a agency and Pully system to lift the stuff to the second story window to get them up stairs.

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kingarthur wrote:To me at least the way most people would take it is. You are so lazy that to avoid do any amount of excess work you would end up do even more work then the original task required.

For example. That's say you go to the store and have a car full of stuff. You could carry it in a few bags at a time but that requires 6 trips between the vehicle and house. So instead you remove the fence from the front yard. Chip down the tree in your way and construct a agency and Pully system to lift the stuff to the second story window to get them up stairs.
You're factoring it right :)
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Koub wrote:
kingarthur wrote:To me at least the way most people would take it is. You are so lazy that to avoid do any amount of excess work you would end up do even more work then the original task required.

For example. That's say you go to the store and have a car full of stuff. You could carry it in a few bags at a time but that requires 6 trips between the vehicle and house. So instead you remove the fence from the front yard. Chip down the tree in your way and construct a agency and Pully system to lift the stuff to the second story window to get them up stairs.
You're factoring it right :)
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Koub wrote:
Jap2.0 wrote:But... cheese goes in the fridge.
HEresy
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tobsimon wrote: Like a couch potato who refuses to get up to reach something [2]. As a non-native speaker (German) I'm not quiet sure on the connotations of bastard, or if "lazy bastard" is a fixed idom (which it seams to be, judging from the comments here). As a literal translation, bastard seems to me like an out of place, unneccessary insult. In German, the translation could have been "Fauler Hund" (lazy dog) instead of "Faule Socke" (lazy sock). But while "Faule Socke" is humorous and ironic, "Fauler Hund" is an expression of anger (except if you live in bavaria, bavarian idoms often sound very mean-spirited to other dialects). I suspect it might be similar with "lazy bastard", and I'd like to hear from native speakers how that expression compares to stuff like "lazybones" and "slacker".
One thing about Bastard is it's not vulgar. In the technical sense "vulgar" roughly means "of lowly people" (i.e. peasants rather than nobility), words like "asshole", "f*cker" and "c*nt" are vulgar, "bastard" is not. While bastard can be used as a fairly strong insult the fact it is not vulgar does give a slightly different connotation, it's a word that in general isn't particularly nice but can be used by people who like to speak properly.

"lazy bastard" is not a fixed idiom you could replace bastard with any number of offensive nouns for example you could equally say "lazy asshole", although many of the words you could use are vulgar slang and so more likely to be unacceptable for that reason alone (vulgarities don't usually make it into print, so to speak).

But it gets more fun, in Australia "bastard" is used as terms of affection amongst friends, I am not sure to what extent the Australian usage has "spilled" to the rest of the english speaking world (I'm a New Zealander so get exposed to a lot more Australian than the rest of the world would, but I also know usages like these can spread like wildfire across the internet). To me the use of "Lazy Bastard" feels like a classic Australianism, used not just ironically but affectionately. But I do find it interesting no-one else has mentioned the Australia connection in this thread, so maybe it is not that widely recognized in the wider world or people are familiar with the usage but unaware of the origin.

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BlakeMW wrote:
tobsimon wrote: Like a couch potato who refuses to get up to reach something [2]. As a non-native speaker (German) I'm not quiet sure on the connotations of bastard, or if "lazy bastard" is a fixed idom (which it seams to be, judging from the comments here). As a literal translation, bastard seems to me like an out of place, unneccessary insult. In German, the translation could have been "Fauler Hund" (lazy dog) instead of "Faule Socke" (lazy sock). But while "Faule Socke" is humorous and ironic, "Fauler Hund" is an expression of anger (except if you live in bavaria, bavarian idoms often sound very mean-spirited to other dialects). I suspect it might be similar with "lazy bastard", and I'd like to hear from native speakers how that expression compares to stuff like "lazybones" and "slacker".
One thing about Bastard is it's not vulgar. In the technical sense "vulgar" roughly means "of lowly people" (i.e. peasants rather than nobility), words like "asshole", "f*cker" and "c*nt" are vulgar, "bastard" is not. While bastard can be used as a fairly strong insult the fact it is not vulgar does give a slightly different connotation, it's a word that in general isn't particularly nice but can be used by people who like to speak properly.

"lazy bastard" is not a fixed idiom you could replace bastard with any number of offensive nouns for example you could equally say "lazy asshole", although many of the words you could use are vulgar slang and so more likely to be unacceptable for that reason alone (vulgarities don't usually make it into print, so to speak).

But it gets more fun, in Australia "bastard" is used as terms of affection amongst friends, I am not sure to what extent the Australian usage has "spilled" to the rest of the english speaking world (I'm a New Zealander so get exposed to a lot more Australian than the rest of the world would, but I also know usages like these can spread like wildfire across the internet). To me the use of "Lazy Bastard" feels like a classic Australianism, used not just ironically but affectionately. But I do find it interesting no-one else has mentioned the Australia connection in this thread, so maybe it is not that widely recognized in the wider world or people are familiar with the usage but unaware of the origin.
U.S. person here, never heard it used in the Australian sense.
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It's only as bad as gash, knob, minge and flaps.

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Here in Canada my trades teacher uses the word bastard to describe the technical term for a very rough file -- a "bastard file". This is in highschool and not one person has ever complained. *shrug* Just saying I couldn't care less. I find it edgy and funny. Besides, I hear much worse words on a regular basis anyways. :)

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nljr wrote:
SirSmuggler wrote:
FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:The word "Bastard" doesn't offend me personally, but I could certainly see others taking some offense and not buy the game.
I find the thought of some one rejecting this game for the sole reason of the word "bastard" in one achivment, while having no problems with the constat murder of indigenous species, very amusing to say the least :lol:
In America, showing a decapitation is fine, but showing full-frontal nudity makes it adult-only.
In Europe, showing full-frontal nudity is fine, but showing violence makes it adult-only.

I'm an American, but I'm with the Europeans on this one. My country is absurd in a whole lot of ways, but the tolerance for killing people and intolerance for making people is especially bizarre and unnatural.
Both should be high up on the adult only. Though, I haven't found any studies regarding widespread violence addiction, whereas I've seen many studies about pornography addiction (although, addiction is kinda a misnomer, as we're built to have sex just as we are to have food. Emotionally dependent would be a better phrase). Maybe thats why we Americans tolerate one and not the other?

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