Why don't crafting machines have inserters in their recipes?

Post all other topics which do not belong to any other category.
Post Reply
User avatar
CreeperDaReeper
Fast Inserter
Fast Inserter
Posts: 228
Joined: Fri May 23, 2014 8:59 pm
Contact:

Why don't crafting machines have inserters in their recipes?

Post by CreeperDaReeper »

No seriously, why don't they?
Last edited by CreeperDaReeper on Sun May 24, 2015 10:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
MeduSalem
Smart Inserter
Smart Inserter
Posts: 1407
Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:13 pm
Contact:

Re: Why aren't crafting machines made with inserters?

Post by MeduSalem »

I've asked myself that quite a lot actually and I haven't found an answer to it.

I imagine that there are a bunch of inserters inside doing all the stuff one would do with the bare hands otherwise, would make sense to me.

But probably the way it is currently is for balancing reasons.

User avatar
ssilk
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 12748
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:35 pm
Contact:

Re: Why aren't crafting machines made with inserters?

Post by ssilk »

The reason is simple: an inserter cannot create things yet. That can only be done by furnace or assemblies (which are handled by the same code). There is nothing, which says, that this might not change in future, but for now this is the only entity besides the player, that can craft stuff.
Cool suggestion: Eatable MOUSE-pointers.
Have you used the Advanced Search today?
Need help, question? FAQ - Wiki - Forum help
I still like small signatures...

Balinor
Fast Inserter
Fast Inserter
Posts: 147
Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:35 pm
Contact:

Re: Why aren't crafting machines made with inserters?

Post by Balinor »

I'm pretty sure he meant why are inserters not part of the recipe for the assembly machines.

User avatar
CreeperDaReeper
Fast Inserter
Fast Inserter
Posts: 228
Joined: Fri May 23, 2014 8:59 pm
Contact:

Re: Why aren't crafting machines made with inserters?

Post by CreeperDaReeper »

ssilk wrote:The reason is simple: an inserter cannot create things yet. That can only be done by furnace or assemblies (which are handled by the same code). There is nothing, which says, that this might not change in future, but for now this is the only entity besides the player, that can craft stuff.
Balinor wrote:I'm pretty sure he meant why are inserters not part of the recipe for the assembly machines.
As Balinor said, I meant in its recipe, not actually assembling the items.

EDIT: And there, changed the thread's title to be more specific.

Xeorm
Fast Inserter
Fast Inserter
Posts: 205
Joined: Wed May 28, 2014 7:11 pm
Contact:

Re: Why don't crafting machines have inserters in their recipes?

Post by Xeorm »

Considering all of the materials for an assembling machine are the same as for inserters (by type at least) I'd think that it's made up of functionally small inserters. Wouldn't make sense to make it require one of the large inserters if you're making small ones.

User avatar
ssilk
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 12748
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:35 pm
Contact:

Re: Why don't crafting machines have inserters in their recipes?

Post by ssilk »

Oh yeah. In my opinion the assembly is just something like a big press, you see it in the design of the tier 3 assembly (Albert said to me, all others are currently stripped down versions, with different color). So, eventually the graphical design of the current assemblies will change?

So, yes, I think, inserters aren't needed for that yet. But where inserters would be really useful, if we had really some kind of slow belt, the inserters are coming from the sides and mounting things on a frame. Like in a car fabrikation. At the end of the belt, the ready mounted stuff is taken out, the unfinished is returned to the start.

Like this one:
Image
(I've been standing there (my sister lives in Ingolstadt) and this is really one of the most fascinating things I ever looked at. :) A must have for every technique freak.)
Cool suggestion: Eatable MOUSE-pointers.
Have you used the Advanced Search today?
Need help, question? FAQ - Wiki - Forum help
I still like small signatures...

User avatar
SHiRKiT
Filter Inserter
Filter Inserter
Posts: 703
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:52 pm
Contact:

Re: Why don't crafting machines have inserters in their recipes?

Post by SHiRKiT »

Indeed the recipe should have belts and inserters on it.

User avatar
CreeperDaReeper
Fast Inserter
Fast Inserter
Posts: 228
Joined: Fri May 23, 2014 8:59 pm
Contact:

Re: Why don't crafting machines have inserters in their recipes?

Post by CreeperDaReeper »

SHiRKiT wrote:Indeed the recipe should have belts and inserters on it.
Inserters yes. Belts, I'm not so sure about.

User avatar
ssilk
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 12748
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:35 pm
Contact:

Re: Why don't crafting machines have inserters in their recipes?

Post by ssilk »

SHiRKiT wrote:Indeed the recipe should have belts and inserters on it.
For THIS above (which would be a new device): yes. For the current assembly: no.
Cool suggestion: Eatable MOUSE-pointers.
Have you used the Advanced Search today?
Need help, question? FAQ - Wiki - Forum help
I still like small signatures...

sillyfly
Smart Inserter
Smart Inserter
Posts: 1099
Joined: Sun May 04, 2014 11:29 am
Contact:

Re: Why don't crafting machines have inserters in their recipes?

Post by sillyfly »

ssilk - for me, what you describe should be the machine for anything more complex than wires or gears. I think it is a good idea, but that means almost everything should be made by those new machines!

User avatar
ssilk
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 12748
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:35 pm
Contact:

Re: Why don't crafting machines have inserters in their recipes?

Post by ssilk »

Why? Perhaps the new machines are just faster? Or only really complex stuff can be made here (more than 6 items needed). Like with the jump from tier 1 assembly to tier 3 assembly.

Robots are a good example: Construction and logistic bots can be made on frames and in assemblies, step by step. But that would be also handy to have them assembled completely different.
Cool suggestion: Eatable MOUSE-pointers.
Have you used the Advanced Search today?
Need help, question? FAQ - Wiki - Forum help
I still like small signatures...

sillyfly
Smart Inserter
Smart Inserter
Posts: 1099
Joined: Sun May 04, 2014 11:29 am
Contact:

Re: Why don't crafting machines have inserters in their recipes?

Post by sillyfly »

ssilk wrote:Oh yeah. In my opinion the assembly is just something like a big press, you see it in the design of the tier 3 assembly
If current assembly machines are indeed supposed to be just a big press, I can't see how they can assemble something as complicated as an inserter or an engine...

Post Reply

Return to “General discussion”