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The 'primary' poll to find the popular choices for quality level names seems to have stabilised (after a late run from 'Basic' to overtake 'Normal' for the first level). So here is a run-off.

Ah I welcome this third round of votes.
Q1-Q5 !

mmmPI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 7:20 am Ah I welcome this third round of votes.
Q1-Q5 !

Same!

I would have gone B, A, S, SS, SSS for the letter grades.

ChefOfRamen wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:03 pm I would have gone B, A, S, SS, SSS for the letter grades.

Why not go the whole snakehog, and suggest S, SS, SSS, SSSS, SSSSS? (Which we could then abbreviate S1, S2, S3, S4, S5.)

Seriously though, that's why there is an 'e.g.' in the letter grade option. If letter grades turn out to be the preferred option, we can discuss afterwards which set of letters to use.

(My own opinion is that even 'S', let alone 'SS' or 'SSS', is symptomatic of unplanned extensions to a range. You designed a range with, say, 'A' to 'D', and then find later that you need a higher grade than 'A', so have to improvise. Adding such things in at the start is pointless.)

Khagan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:25 am (My own opinion is that even 'S', let alone 'SS' or 'SSS', is symptomatic of unplanned extensions to a range. You designed a range with, say, 'A' to 'D', and then find later that you need a higher grade than 'A', so have to improvise. Adding such things in at the start is pointless.)

You don't watch enough animes I guess

The first one but replace legendary with perfect.

I picked the option with perfect because it is the least worse option out of the four in this poll.

Koub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:02 am

Khagan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:25 am (My own opinion is that even 'S', let alone 'SS' or 'SSS', is symptomatic of unplanned extensions to a range. You designed a range with, say, 'A' to 'D', and then find later that you need a higher grade than 'A', so have to improvise. Adding such things in at the start is pointless.)

You don't watch enough animes I guess

No, many of us don't, so the whole "S" grade system is completely foreign and, even having recently learned of this from the other thread, feels more wrong than the Legendary options.

FuryoftheStars wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:15 pm

Koub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:02 am

Khagan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:25 am (My own opinion is that even 'S', let alone 'SS' or 'SSS', is symptomatic of unplanned extensions to a range. You designed a range with, say, 'A' to 'D', and then find later that you need a higher grade than 'A', so have to improvise. Adding such things in at the start is pointless.)

You don't watch enough animes I guess

No, many of us don't, so the whole "S" grade system is completely foreign and, even having recently learned of this from the other thread, feels more wrong than the Legendary options.

Huh. Thought it was common knowledge at this point, what with the sheer spam of crappy tier lists on YouTube these days.

My 2 cents about the "S" grade system as a naming-scheme is... that in practice it is absolutely F-tier. ;D

MeduSalem wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:26 pm My 2 cents about the "S" grade system as a naming-scheme is... that in practice it is absolutely F-tier. ;D

This strange "S" grade system cannot be invented by engineers or technical orientated people, because it isn't following some intuitive scientific order of increasing importance or significance. Instead, it's arbitrary. There is no reason why an "S" is better than an "A", and "SS" better than "S". That's completely arbitrary and made up. And that's not something we should have in Factorio, because Factorio is something scientific and mathematical. Arbitrary rules have no place here.

Ranakastrasz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:59 pm

FuryoftheStars wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:15 pm

Koub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:02 am

Khagan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:25 am (My own opinion is that even 'S', let alone 'SS' or 'SSS', is symptomatic of unplanned extensions to a range. You designed a range with, say, 'A' to 'D', and then find later that you need a higher grade than 'A', so have to improvise. Adding such things in at the start is pointless.)

You don't watch enough animes I guess

No, many of us don't, so the whole "S" grade system is completely foreign and, even having recently learned of this from the other thread, feels more wrong than the Legendary options.

Huh. Thought it was common knowledge at this point, what with the sheer spam of crappy tier lists on YouTube these days.

Well, tier lists of what? Anime? Gocha games? Other things of that nature? Some people don't look at/follow any of that.

I also can't speak for others, but I don't typically browse YouTube (generically speaking). Typically the only times I land on YouTube vids is from Googling how-tos that result in YouTube results with no or poor other results (I'm a very "I just want my answer without all the fluff bull" type of person, so vids that spend 5+ minutes talking about other stuff I don't care about irritate me and/or waste my time whereas a text article I can just CRTL+F to what I need).

Also, the vids that YouTube recommends/shows to you typically follow the type of stuff that it thinks you'd be interested in based on your history. If you never look at that type of stuff, it's never going to recommend any of those vids to you.

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Tertius wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:24 pm This strange "S" grade system cannot be invented by engineers or technical orientated people

Well, no, they weren't. They're in use by tier lists for Anime's and Gocha games and the like.

I see not everyone is familiar with the trend of making tier list for everything !

I was under the impression that this website was somewhat of the source or at least an instrumental tool in the development of them :
https://tiermaker.com/create/factorio-- ... s-15859331

They are ranked as F D C B A S from worst best by default i suppose. And on youtube you could find tier list of pretty much everything in video games, like factions, magic spell , unit, policy , dungeons, strategy, but also many things outside the video game world as it's a really easy support for ranking and rambling on youtube or other.

mmmPI wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:28 pm I see not everyone is familiar with the trend of making tier list for everything !

I was under the impression that this website was somewhat of the source or at least an instrumental tool in the development of them :
https://tiermaker.com/create/factorio-- ... s-15859331

They are ranked as F D C B A S from worst best by default i suppose. And on youtube you could find tier list of pretty much everything in video games, like factions, magic spell , unit, policy , dungeons, strategy, but also many things outside the video game world as it's a really easy support for ranking and rambling on youtube or other.

And yet some have never heard of this before these polls.

I don't know, I may be weird, but I don't typically look for rank lists about things in the games I play? With Diablo 3 I did sometimes look up build information for certain build types, but even then the "rank" lists I found and used didn't use a letter system for ranking them.

Yea. Admittedly, I only learned of it properly with Tierzoo, and it was the least interesting part of those videos. Professional quality edutainment on various animals.

And yes. Extending the scale past F-A and then S to SS and SSS is an indication that something broke. Or that there was some kind of translation disaster maybe.

I will probably use or write a mod to use Q0-Q5 if that isn't chosen, because I don't feel flavour is appropriate, of any type, but like the arbitrary and confusing change to inserter colors, I will probably get used to it, regardless of which flavour text is used.

And I will use whatever the devs choose as default, to stay compatible to what forum and discord calls it. And if it's "1st try", "trash", "mediocre", "refurbished", "ok".

Tertius wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:12 pm [...] And if it's "1st try", "trash", "mediocre", "refurbished", "ok".

I change my mind, I vote for those to become the official names... just for the sake of it. ;D

I'm 50/50 on whether to go with whatever the devs use or a mod that changes it to numbered levels, but regardless, I'll probably use Q1-Q5 in conversations because I'm not going to remember any names except for the "highest"... maybe.