Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by Burninator » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:56 pm

"So for 0.17, the water 'frequency' and 'size' sliders are being replaced with 'scale' and 'coverage', which do the same thing, but in a hopefully more obvious way. Larger scale means larger land features, while more coverage means more of the map covered in water."
How about changing coverage to sea level, with a slider going from low to high? That would be pretty clear as to what is happening wouldn't it?

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by EnerJi » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:00 pm

Hello! Congratulations on the impending release of 0.17.

I wanted to check in and see whether signed binaries was still the plan for 0.17 (for macOS and Windows?)

See:
viewtopic.php?t=55063

and

viewtopic.php?t=62112

Thanks!

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Post by T-A-R » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:32 pm

Congratulations, A big milestone is coming close:D. I can' t wait for the new recepies to become vanilla: large changes will happen, it feels like there is not much to do in my factories atm, since it will be obsolete soon.
My two cents about the mapgenerator
Maybe the map generator could help new players by calculating a difficulty level of the map based on resource availability and biter setting?

Could map settings be adjusted during gameplay (like continue playing a map after a update) so you don't have to start over while tweaking your personal flavor?

I love love love the book in book (directory) option. THANKS for implementing as suggested!:D.

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by FactorioBlueprints » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:40 pm

Could you share an example of the json inside a 0.17 blueprint? I’d like to get factorioprints.com updated ASAP.

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by Bilka » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:03 am

FactorioBlueprints wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:40 pm
Could you share an example of the json inside a 0.17 blueprint? I’d like to get factorioprints.com updated ASAP.
Same as 0.16 blueprints. You are the second person asking for this because of the FFF and I still have no idea what makes people think the format has changed.
I'm an admin over at https://wiki.factorio.com. Feel free to contact me if there's anything wrong (or right) with it.

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by Serenity » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:10 am

T-A-R wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:32 pm
From a defensive point of view the 0.16 mapgen is great. Doing large large walls is an other (more boring) job then choosing and setting up chokepoints, which has more effort for less work. So chokepoints are important map features, and work quite satistfying in 0.16.
You could get choke points before too. Large islands connected by land bridges. Now you get land bridges, sure, but those bridges are also practically the only land. Especially as you go out farther. There aren't real islands anymore

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by Light » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:24 am

It nice to see nice real time map generation without having to constantly regenerate new maps. Especially with moisture control for a more custom starting area, which with Alien Biomes required a lot of regenerating to get the desired terrain. (Purples/Reds for a truly alien world)

Looking forward to the end of month release.

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Post by POPISowyNumer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:31 am

We're getting new generator for maps, and god bless you all for that.
But this raises some questions too.
Cold biomes when.
Swamp biomes when.
Alium creep biomes when. Especially if they actually do creep and require flammenwerfers to be removed.

Both belts and bugsies need some love too. New tier, or just industrial style chute for bulk transport. More compelling enemies. Any plans for that?

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by posila » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:36 am

EnerJi wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:00 pm
Hello! Congratulations on the impending release of 0.17.

I wanted to check in and see whether signed binaries was still the plan for 0.17 (for macOS and Windows?)

See:
viewtopic.php?t=55063

and

viewtopic.php?t=62112

Thanks!
Sorry, no signed binaries yet.

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by SWSe » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:38 am

Love this blog post, looking forward to 0.17.

Also appreciate devs answering here in the middle of the night :D Have a nice test-and-debug week!

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by TigBits » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:57 am

TOGoS wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:51 pm
Mmmmmmyes.
Excellent, thanks.

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by TOGoS » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:17 am

T-A-R wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:32 pm
Could map settings be adjusted during gameplay (like continue playing a map after a update) so you don't have to start over while tweaking your personal flavor?
Yep! In 0.17 you'll be able to switch into the editor ("/editor" in the console) and change the surface settings any time. Of course you'll have some overly square features where your previously-generated chunks and the new ones meet.

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by roothorick » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:18 am

TigBits wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:23 pm
Create a map without trees
I've always wondered, when you do this, how do you get your first power pole?

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by 5thHorseman » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:36 am

roothorick wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:18 am
TigBits wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:23 pm
Create a map without trees
I've always wondered, when you do this, how do you get your first power pole?
I suspect maybe logs will still be lying around. Though that makes me wonder... with no trees where would they come from?

EDIT: No I just tried in and at least in 0.16 there is no wood anywhere.

So it seems that without a mod, setting trees to "None" is an insta-lose.
"So you completed the game with a spaghetti factory? Well I hand crafted a rocket and threw it into space with my bare hands!"

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by Tricorius » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:46 am

Klonan wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:08 pm
J-H wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:06 pm
A starting island that can be bridged to a mainland (via landfill) sounds good. A starting island with nothing but water around it sounds like a recipe for a factory that dies because it can't get more resources.

I'd like some clarification on which one we're getting.
A starting island with nothing but water around it,
It will be a somewhat 'challenge map', to launch a rocket with only the limited resources the Island provides
This is probably a sucktacular idea...but would it be possible to have rarer “underwater” resource fields pregenerated in some areas that can be “brought to the surface” and made mineable by landfill?

Probably too much work to do at this point, and I’m still not 100% sure if I like the idea. :: shrug ::

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by TOGoS » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:46 am

5thHorseman wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:36 am
roothorick wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:18 am
TigBits wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:23 pm
Create a map without trees
I've always wondered, when you do this, how do you get your first power pole?
I suspect maybe logs will still be lying around. Though that makes me wonder... with no trees where would they come from?

EDIT: No I just tried in and at least in 0.16 there is no wood anywhere.

So it seems that without a mod, setting trees to "None" is an insta-lose.
Some people just hate nature that much.

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by WildBraas » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:49 am

Hi!
Question about the names of railway stations. Do you plan to remove the limit of 50 characters (and 25 unicode omg)?
Because if you use [icons/iron-plates]-type icons in the names, the current length is not enough. By the way, limitless maps, limitless productions and 50 char limit. Come on...

The second question: can I add icons with a GUI choice when the name is being edited? I do not quite understand where you can see the compliance of the icons with their internal names.

Thank you!

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Post by axxiz144 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:18 am

Thanks for the info. I’m especially excited for the blueprint UX update. I use BPs extensively and so improvements here really improve my quality of life. I love the nesting of books and long name support. 😃

A couple of ideas for making 6his event better:
- a mouse over of the icon shows a preview of the BP.
- a mode of the icon layout that uses a preview of the BP in the icon rather than the 4 sprite box (like how windows shows the icon for images).
- stretch goal: tags! Tagging BPs and searching for tags.

Thanks for all you do :)

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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by sutech » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:05 am

If you speaking about islands… do you add boats/ war ships or water bitters? :lol: or you planing it to DLC ? :idea:
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Re: Friday Facts #282 - 0.17 in sight

Post by GrumpyJoe » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:06 am

factoriouzr wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:04 pm


Having to wait 1 year and over 2 months for a release is a bad idea ;)
?
So as soon as 0.16 hit, you were on the edge of your seat, eagerly awaiting 0.17?
You never bothered about the 0.16.x releases? It wasn´t all just bug fixes, just like 0.17.0 will not bring everything they planned at once.

Last few weeks on the forums must have been one big SIGH on the moderator side

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