Friday Facts #263 - Trains in blueprints

[Light]

Someone send them a bag of non-dick shaped candy!

No!
They shall receive dick candy until 0.17 is released... or simply because they brought out the OCD in everyone and it won't stop.

[POPISowyNumer]

There is a very easy solution: Make special Loading and Unloading structures specifically for train wagons (like in Real Life) that can only use Belt Loader/Unloader to get stuff in or out of wagons and disable the ability of inserters to pull things directly out of wagons.

Done!

Yeah, but this requires them to not only make two classes of inventory entities, but also two new structures (hopper and belt-loader).
If they won't do that, the cargo wagons will make belt based busses inferior, and should inserters prove more ups friendly than belts, then also completely obsolete.

And then some devs have the gall to call bots op.
No wonder, if you gimp the belts so hard...

[mrvn]

Fuel should be treated like any other item in the blueprint. However much is in the engine is the amount blueprinted. If the blueprint was created with coal and you want rocket fuel you use the upgrade planner.

But then you go from inserting 50 coal to 50 nuclear fuel. That won't fit.

[Durabys]

There is a very easy solution: Make special Loading and Unloading structures specifically for train wagons (like in Real Life) that can only use Belt Loader/Unloader to get stuff in or out of wagons and disable the ability of inserters to pull things directly out of wagons.

Done!

Yeah, but this requires them to not only make two classes of inventory entities, but also two new structures (hopper and belt-loader).
If they won't do that, the cargo wagons will make belt based busses inferior, and should inserters prove more ups friendly than belts, then also completely obsolete.

And then some devs have the gall to call bots op.
No wonder, if you gimp the belts so hard...

Belt loaders are already in the base game|s code, dude. They do not have sprites yet. Only the Loader Hopper and the Unloader Hopper aren't.

[mexmer]

i kinda like this blueprinting with train, now i just need to not forget to leave bit of fuel in invetory, or it will stay at blueprinted station forever

[bobucles]

But will all vehicles be allowed in blueprints? Asking for a tank chest build.

[mexmer]

But will all vehicles be allowed in blueprints? Asking for a tank chest build.

you want to have tank imprinted on your chest?

is not that for t-shirt section?

[Lubricus]

But will all vehicles be allowed in blueprints? Asking for a tank chest build.

you want to have tank imprinted on your chest?

is not that for t-shirt section?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jai9d6fPvMc

[Oktokolo]

But will all vehicles be allowed in blueprints? Asking for a tank chest build.

I would also like the blueprinting mechanic to, besides locomotives and cargo/tank wagons, also support cars, tanks, compilatrons and their upgraded version, spidertrons, too.

But where do you need tanks, where cargo wagons do not cut it?
I use cargo-wagon-based buffers, belt balancers and warehouses when playing without Merging Chests and Warehousing. In my experience, it is all about the amount of Inserters/loaders you can have loaing/unloading the container - so larger containers are better than smaller ones.

[xng]

Just a few weeks left now until it has been 1 year since 0.16 was released. I think the devs tend to forget this as time passes a lot more quickly when playing around and having fun with experimental future features instead. For customers that wait on the other hand these years of postponing releases adds up, and seeing each friday how the devs just keep playing around trying stuff out instead of finishing and releasing the already open projects makes it feel like a huge disappointment.

The techdemos you work on instead of finishing the game looks cool though, and I'm happy that you at least have fun in the office. You already got payed so I guess there are nothing else you need to do for your customers and backers.

[realm174]

Just a few weeks left now until it has been 1 year since 0.16 was released. I think the devs tend to forget this as time passes a lot more quickly when playing around and having fun with experimental future features instead. For customers that wait on the other hand these years of postponing releases adds up, and seeing each friday how the devs just keep playing around trying stuff out instead of finishing and releasing the already open projects makes it feel like a huge disappointment.

The techdemos you work on instead of finishing the game looks cool though, and I'm happy that you at least have fun in the office. You already got payed so I guess there are nothing else you need to do for your customers and backers.

I must have missed that post.. can you link me to where it says that you're entitled to a specific number of releases, or that there shall be no longer than X weeks between releases?

[Amarula]

I can appreciate that some may find it frustrating to wait for upcoming enhancements.
However the devs always have to walk a line between pushing out new stuff and keeping up the quality.
I for one am happy for the dev team to take as much time as they need so the game doesn't break as soon as something is added - to me, that is the sign that they truly care about their players.

[Lubricus]

But will all vehicles be allowed in blueprints? Asking for a tank chest build.

I would also like the blueprinting mechanic to, besides locomotives and cargo/tank wagons, also support cars, tanks, compilatrons and their upgraded version, spidertrons, too.

But where do you need tanks, where cargo wagons do not cut it?
I use cargo-wagon-based buffers, belt balancers and warehouses when playing without Merging Chests and Warehousing. In my experience, it is all about the amount of Inserters/loaders you can have loaing/unloading the container - so larger containers are better than smaller ones.

When you make super UPS optimized factories and use assemblers with direct insertions between trains. Inserters and assemblers have all odd numbered width and rails can only bee and even amount of tiles between them, so you may need to use cars/tanks that have an even numbered width.

[eradicator]

When you make super UPS optimized factories and use assemblers with direct insertions between trains. Inserters and assemblers have all odd numbered width and rails can only bee and even amount of tiles between them, so you may need to use cars/tanks that have an even numbered width.

If you use car/tank chests in a "super UPS optimized factory" then you've never measured the UPS impact of cars/tanks (hint: they're way more expensive than chests).

+1 for cars in blueprints anyway though ;)

[Lubricus]

When you make super UPS optimized factories and use assemblers with direct insertions between trains. Inserters and assemblers have all odd numbered width and rails can only bee and even amount of tiles between them, so you may need to use cars/tanks that have an even numbered width.

If you use car/tank chests in a "super UPS optimized factory" then you've never measured the UPS impact of cars/tanks (hint: they're way more expensive than chests).

+1 for cars in blueprints anyway though

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comme ... confidence
That is hard to beat and uses cars

[eradicator]

When you make super UPS optimized factories and use assemblers with direct insertions between trains. Inserters and assemblers have all odd numbered width and rails can only bee and even amount of tiles between them, so you may need to use cars/tanks that have an even numbered width.

If you use car/tank chests in a "super UPS optimized factory" then you've never measured the UPS impact of cars/tanks (hint: they're way more expensive than chests).

+1 for cars in blueprints anyway though ;)

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comme ... confidence
That is hard to beat and uses cars

The upmost post is by the creator themselfs clearly states that it's faster without cars:

With some other improvements in fluid handling and replacing most car buffers with inserters and chests, [...]

The linked imgur album even mentions it directly:

I did avoid cars wherever possible, since inserters and chests are better optimized

[adam_bise]

Much love for blueprintable trains!!

[Oktokolo]

Just a few weeks left now until it has been 1 year since 0.16 was released. I think the devs tend to forget this as time passes a lot more quickly when playing around and having fun with experimental future features instead. For customers that wait on the other hand these years of postponing releases adds up, and seeing each friday how the devs just keep playing around trying stuff out instead of finishing and releasing the already open projects makes it feel like a huge disappointment.
The techdemos you work on instead of finishing the game looks cool though, and I'm happy that you at least have fun in the office. You already got payed so I guess there are nothing else you need to do for your customers and backers.

Not sure about the Factorio devs. But i would ask you to leave and never come back if you where my customer.

[McDuff]

Tbh, while using cars is a quirky mechanic, I think that speaks more of a need to figure out what problem cars are solving and get something non-hacky in to do the job.

[JimBarracus]

When you make super UPS optimized factories and use assemblers with direct insertions between trains. Inserters and assemblers have all odd numbered width and rails can only bee and even amount of tiles between them, so you may need to use cars/tanks that have an even numbered width.

you can place 12 red inserters between two cargo waggons
not the most elegant solution but the best workaround for this problem