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Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:27 am
mmmPI wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:04 am

The purpose of sanction is to prevent Russia from continuing waging an aggressive and unprovocated war against its neighbour by strangling its economy. It was clearly explained several time at the UN. It also prevent Russia from building tanks or warplanes to replenish its losses on the battlefield against the Ukrainian soldier who managed to win the battle of Kyiv and stall the front long enough to receive modern weapons and western training to support their territorial integrity and soverignty.
What does AvtoVAZ have to do with it? He has now moved to work on 6 days out of 7 due to the huge demand. They had a problem with airbags, but they were "imported" . The drop in sales is only for European manufacturers, which are now being replaced by Chinese manufacturers.
When faced with the objective indicators disprooving your claim that "everything is fine with money in russia" you attempted to illustrate your point mentionning Avtovaz
Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:10 pm
what western technology are you talking about? "Avtovaz" priduce cars at full power. Russia have some train factory's and got full localisation within an year.
You could have picked another example as this one is clearly prooving you wrong.

You brought a stupid example yourself, i don't know why you ask later why this example was choosen. You choose it.

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mmmPI wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:42 am
Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:27 am
mmmPI wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:04 am

The purpose of sanction is to prevent Russia from continuing waging an aggressive and unprovocated war against its neighbour by strangling its economy. It was clearly explained several time at the UN. It also prevent Russia from building tanks or warplanes to replenish its losses on the battlefield against the Ukrainian soldier who managed to win the battle of Kyiv and stall the front long enough to receive modern weapons and western training to support their territorial integrity and soverignty.
What does AvtoVAZ have to do with it? He has now moved to work on 6 days out of 7 due to the huge demand. They had a problem with airbags, but they were "imported" . The drop in sales is only for European manufacturers, which are now being replaced by Chinese manufacturers.
When faced with the objective indicators disprooving your claim that "everything is fine with money in russia" you attempted to illustrate your point mentionning Avtovaz
Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:10 pm
what western technology are you talking about? "Avtovaz" priduce cars at full power. Russia have some train factory's and got full localisation within an year.
You could have picked another example as this one is clearly prooving you wrong.

You brought a stupid example yourself, i don't know why you ask later why this example was choosen. You choose it.
Where do your "objective indicators" indicate the impact of profits from the sale of gas, oil, grain and fertilizers on the lack of money in Russia?

Another article of sticking out negative points without a complete analysis of the market.

Your tables with exchange indexes, what do they affect in conditions of limited trading?
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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you know, I would be happy if my country sent weapons to Ukraine to use against Russia. it's not a bad thing. if Russia needs help from China or India, they should speak up and request it. but Ukraine is sovereign nation, she can do what she wants.

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Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:27 pm
Where do your "objective indicators" indicate the impact of profits from the sale of gas, oil, grain and fertilizers on the lack of money in Russia?

Another article of sticking out negative points without a complete analysis of the market.

Your tables with exchange indexes, what do they affect in conditions of limited trading?
You are the one talking about the economical situation of Russia in a thread called " We support Ukraine" with fake information that the only availble sources published by the russian federation and compiled on economic website disproove.

You can only explain the "good state" by saying "we expected worse due to sanctions" that doesn't mean things are well at all, just for the indicators that where published today by the Russian federation for example you can see for yourself :

https://tradingeconomics.com/calendar

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/retail-sales-annual
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This is one of the indicator published by the russian federation.

Those have no affect ? your question makes no sense to me, those are indicators which means it is indicating what is happening, those are constructed numbers to represent aggregate data from different sources. Your kind of propaganda consist when it is possible into only choosing those that are favourable, and when it's not possible build up a layer of argument to either explain it or deny it. This one means the shops in Russia on average this month like every month since the begining of the not-a-war-but-a-special-military-aggressive-operation-with-the-army-on-forgeign-territory sold less things than the same month the previous year that's what the YoY means.

If you are not sure, the website provide an explanation so you can inform yourself :
Retail sales in Russia slumped by 8.8 percent year-on-year in July of 2022, following a 9.6 percent plunge in the prior month and compared with market estimates of an 8.9 percent decline. It was the fourth consecutive month of falling retail activity, reflecting the war's adverse impact on consumer spending. source: Federal State Statistics Service
Your personnal analysis was first to take as an example the automobile brand Aztovaz, which is a very bad choice of example to try and make low level propaganda, because the head of Aztovaz himself declared :
β€œIn the current situation of sanctions pressure and a growing number of variables, we are taking comprehensive measures to maintain employment,” Avtovaz President Maxim Sokolov said at the time.
=> underpaying workers => lower consumption => confirmed by retails numbers.

Avtovaz has sought to adapt since Western sanctions severed Russia from many global supply chains and export markets, launching a series of simplified models with fewer hard-to-source foreign components.

In June, the company began production of a new, stripped-down Lada Granta, which comes without features such as remote keyless control or air conditioning, which rely on imported components.

Nevertheless, sales volumes have fallen by 63% in the first seven months of the year, to 85,000 vehicles, with production of the Lada Vesta, Lada X-Ray and Lada Largus models halted altogether, according to Avtovaz data.
They forgot to mention the lack of airbag, but that precision was added thanks to djmixxx, maybe you should inform them too

https://whbl.com/2022/08/25/in-isolated ... economies/

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mmmPI wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:56 pm
Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:27 pm
Where do your "objective indicators" indicate the impact of profits from the sale of gas, oil, grain and fertilizers on the lack of money in Russia?

Another article of sticking out negative points without a complete analysis of the market.

Your tables with exchange indexes, what do they affect in conditions of limited trading?
You are the one talking about the economical situation of Russia in a thread called " We support Ukraine" with fake information that the only availble sources published by the russian federation and compiled on economic website disproove.

You can only explain the "good state" by saying "we expected worse due to sanctions" that doesn't mean things are well at all, just for the indicators that where published today by the Russian federation for example you can see for yourself :

https://tradingeconomics.com/calendar

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/retail-sales-annual
retailsales.png


This is one of the indicator published by the russian federation.

Those have no affect ? your question makes no sense to me, those are indicators which means it is indicating what is happening, those are constructed numbers to represent aggregate data from different sources. Your kind of propaganda consist when it is possible into only choosing those that are favourable, and when it's not possible build up a layer of argument to either explain it or deny it. This one means the shops in Russia on average this month like every month since the begining of the not-a-war-but-a-special-military-aggressive-operation-with-the-army-on-forgeign-territory sold less things than the same month the previous year that's what the YoY means.

If you are not sure, the website provide an explanation so you can inform yourself :
Retail sales in Russia slumped by 8.8 percent year-on-year in July of 2022, following a 9.6 percent plunge in the prior month and compared with market estimates of an 8.9 percent decline. It was the fourth consecutive month of falling retail activity, reflecting the war's adverse impact on consumer spending. source: Federal State Statistics Service
Your personnal analysis was first to take as an example the automobile brand Aztovaz, which is a very bad choice of example to try and make low level propaganda, because the head of Aztovaz himself declared :
β€œIn the current situation of sanctions pressure and a growing number of variables, we are taking comprehensive measures to maintain employment,” Avtovaz President Maxim Sokolov said at the time.
=> underpaying workers => lower consumption => confirmed by retails numbers.

Avtovaz has sought to adapt since Western sanctions severed Russia from many global supply chains and export markets, launching a series of simplified models with fewer hard-to-source foreign components.

In June, the company began production of a new, stripped-down Lada Granta, which comes without features such as remote keyless control or air conditioning, which rely on imported components.

Nevertheless, sales volumes have fallen by 63% in the first seven months of the year, to 85,000 vehicles, with production of the Lada Vesta, Lada X-Ray and Lada Largus models halted altogether, according to Avtovaz data.
They forgot to mention the lack of airbag, but that precision was added thanks to djmixxx, maybe you should inform them too

https://whbl.com/2022/08/25/in-isolated ... economies/
Interesting manipulation of cause and effect.

Decrease in retail trade volumes.

But that's is the reason:
-decrease in the purchasing power of the population
Or
- the global limitation of supplies to Russia while maintaining the purchasing power of the population.
Or
- the global limitation of supplies to Russia with decreasing the purchasing power of the population.


As for a car selling. Population have enough money, but do not have enough car for selling. Correctly look at the available number of offers / the number of cars sold. During the crisis of 2008, there was also a drop in sales of new cars, only at the same time there was a large amount of supply and a lack of demand for this supply.

And a gradual increase in the indicator of the economy can indicates either the successful replacement of Western products, or the imminent fall of the entire economy.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 6:29 am
- the global limitation of supplies to Russia with decreasing the purchasing power of the population
Yes this caused by a stupid war. Due to limitation of supplies many companies are shut down or not working full time, which in turn mean decreasing purchasing power of the population because they are paid less by such company which does not have supply or cannot export its production.

( people are underpaid AND the prices increase due to the limitation of supplies ).


Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 6:29 am

As for a car selling. Population have enough money, but do not have enough car for selling. Correctly look at the available number of offers / the number of cars sold. During the crisis of 2008, there was also a drop in sales of new cars, only at the same time there was a large amount of supply and a lack of demand for this supply.

And a gradual increase in the indicator of the economy can indicates either the successful replacement of Western products, or the imminent fall of the entire economy.
Thank you for underlining the analogy with 2008 crisis again, the drop in sales of new car is usually a sign that everything is fine, same when the employee are not being paid or asked to take money to stop being employee, like in the 2008 crisis.


Thanks you for never showing any kind of sourced information or figures and illustrating why it's so easy to say lots of bullshit on TV about the economy, and why people know it's not exact science especially coming from you after your 750+ post exclusively on this thread, all insulting Ukraine or attempting to spread russian narratives and lies about how there is no war, how the sanction have no effect or other ridiculous thing you keep posting here.

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Why does Russia not allow their own citizens to speak about the war, in support or against?

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Cos they are considered sheep.

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ptx0 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:10 pm
Why does Russia not allow their own citizens to speak about the war, in support or against?
Why does Eastern Europe not allow their own citizens to speak about support of war ? Also sheep ? So it is not only Putin do this?

Censorship rule the world.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:28 pm
ptx0 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:10 pm
Why does Russia not allow their own citizens to speak about the war, in support or against?
Why does Eastern Europe not allow their own citizens to speak about support of war ? Also sheep ? So it is not only Putin do this?

Censorship rule the world.
But your 780+ post here all in favor of the war proove the contrary x)

Why you keep doing it ?

Putin is responsible for death of tens of thousands, who else in the world today has enough blood on the hand ?

Why djmix post only in favor of Putin ? and never in favor of Zelensky ?

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Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:28 pm
Censorship rule the world.
In most of Europe it's forbidden to do the apology of nazism or of hitler, you posted about that earlier a lot, you said europe was pro nazi because they refuse to officialy have a common rule to make nazism apology forbidden and instead rely on indiviual country rules to make it ILLEGAL to glorify nazism.

Following the same logic, it makes sense to make it ILLEGAL to support war criminals in present time no ?

Censorship in Russia is putting random citizen in jail for asking for peace while in some european country, the censorship is aimed toward people in responsability supporting an active war that is killing thousands people.

One must be very dishonnest, poorly informed or stupid to not understand the difference x).

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mmmPI wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:33 pm

Putin is responsible for death of tens of thousands, who else in the world today has enough blood on the hand ?
Not many have so few victims, but there is a country that cannot be named, in whose hands there are hundreds of thousands or even millions of innocent victims.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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mmmPI wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:56 pm
Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:28 pm
Censorship rule the world.
In most of Europe it's forbidden to do the apology of nazism or of hitler, you posted about that earlier a lot, you said europe was pro nazi because they refuse to officialy have a common rule to make nazism apology forbidden and instead rely on indiviual country rules to make it ILLEGAL to glorify nazism.

Following the same logic, it makes sense to make it ILLEGAL to support war criminals in present time no ?

Censorship in Russia is putting random citizen in jail for asking for peace while in some european country, the censorship is aimed toward people in responsability supporting an active war that is killing thousands people.

One must be very dishonnest, poorly informed or stupid to not understand the difference x).
In both cases it is censorship. Today we will limit freedom of speech about the war in Ukraine, tomorrow freedom of speech for opposition parties, and hello Putin's Russia. The mechanism itself is already working, it just needs to be slightly corrected.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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In the "west", it's often more deletion of content in privately owned or public platforms that is in support of Russia. But this is not universal (for example, you posting in here...).
In Russia, it doesn't matter who, how, or where... if you voice in any way, shape, or form support for Ukraine/ending the war, you are fined and/or thrown in jail.

Yes, I can totally see how they relate.... :roll: :lol:

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Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:53 pm
mmmPI wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:33 pm

Putin is responsible for death of tens of thousands, who else in the world today has enough blood on the hand ?
Not many have so few victims, but there is a country that cannot be named, in whose hands there are hundreds of thousands or even millions of innocent victims.
USSR, it's ok to name it, the Russian empire ? , you can say USA, you can say Germany, you can say France, or Great Britain or Spain, or Portugal or Austria, Prussia even, heck all of those are responsible for hundreds of thousands even millions of innocent victim, over the course of the history. Definitly not Ukraine though ... why you keep insulting Ukraine ?


Only Putin is the current world leader responsible for the most death, he number 1 no contest, doing so since Chechnya 1999. Syria, Georgia, Azerbaidjan, Ukraine. Always putin. It's been quite a while so the hold on censorship is strong, he even passed law to allow staying president up to 2036, must be why djmix suscribed to his fanclub, so that he has paid copy paste to do for the rest of his life, otherwise if you unemployed you become conscript because there is no war and everything is going according to plan such as the delay and cancelation in weapon export to allied country, or claiming to fight NATO and seeing Sweden and Finland joining NATO.

Why you never critice putin ? djmix you said you were pacifist and valuing human life ? that doesn't seem to hold true when reading your 780+ post on this thread where you keep failing at finding decent excuses or justification for a bloddy senseless war ?

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Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 8:03 pm
mmmPI wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:56 pm
Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:28 pm
Censorship rule the world.
In most of Europe it's forbidden to do the apology of nazism or of hitler, you posted about that earlier a lot, you said europe was pro nazi because they refuse to officialy have a common rule to make nazism apology forbidden and instead rely on indiviual country rules to make it ILLEGAL to glorify nazism.

Following the same logic, it makes sense to make it ILLEGAL to support war criminals in present time no ?

Censorship in Russia is putting random citizen in jail for asking for peace while in some european country, the censorship is aimed toward people in responsability supporting an active war that is killing thousands people.

One must be very dishonnest, poorly informed or stupid to not understand the difference x).
In both cases it is censorship. Today we will limit freedom of speech about the war in Ukraine, tomorrow freedom of speech for opposition parties, and hello Putin's Russia. The mechanism itself is already working, it just needs to be slightly corrected.

Who are you talking about with that "WE" ? you are making shit up again, this is borderline paranoid man.

In the USA for example it's allowed to claim putin is a good guy, even the previous president said it once for the lulz.

You keep doing the apology of the war while at the same time claiming you are censored, you have posted 780+ spam shitpost all in favor of the war or insulting Ukraine, or attempting to sound neutral for later publishing biaised article or copy paste straight from RT in a thread that's called " We support Ukraine", you clearly are seeking provocation, in the least subtle way possible, repeadtly to the point where it's obvious for everyone.

Now you are attempting to claim something that only reflect the very biaised woldview that you have, you don't even understand that many countries have different law on freedom of speech or no based on their history, culture, religion and so on. Russia vs the world " they limit their freedom of speech they no better". that's so stupid x) there are approximatevly 200 country/territory, and russia in the only place in the world where it's not allowed to call the war, a war. Even in North Korea they call it a war lol.

Russia is also the only place i have heard of where you can be sent to jail for standing in the street with a paper where it is written " peace" .

That doesn't mean freedom of speech exist everywhere. That just mean that in Russia , the topic of the war is the source of censorship and sending people to jail, whereas for every other country in the world, it's not the case, because every other country in the world is not the responsible for the war.

( launching an aggressive war is forbidden according to russian law so putin claim it's not a war, it's like killing someone and saying "no i've just removed its life" and hoping to convince someone with that.)

That's so ridiculous in a country that claim there is no war, what harm is there to ask for a peace that is alledgly already there ?



Also you are again contradicting one of your previous statement where you wrongfully blamed "europe" for not censoring nazi apology, no knowing in many country it is already. Now suddenly you are die hard defender of freedom of speech just because the lack of morality and general uselessness of your comment is discussed. Freedom of speech mean when someone say something wrong and malicious like you who keep posting pro-putin comment purposefully on a thread called "we support ukraine" then this person is called for what it's doing.


You are again switching topic after what you said on the economy was contradicted with data and witness. You such a joke

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Any hackers?

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Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:28 pm
ptx0 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:10 pm
Why does Russia not allow their own citizens to speak about the war, in support or against?
Why does Eastern Europe not allow their own citizens to speak about support of war ? Also sheep ? So it is not only Putin do this?

Censorship rule the world.
oh, more whataboutism and not answering the question.

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https://www.rtl.fr/programmes/lenglet-c ... ue-lenglet

Of course I'm making it all up. Official Western propaganda will immediately tell us that the sanctions have failed and Russia is raking in money with a shovel, while the inhabitants of European countries think how they will survive in the winter.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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FuryoftheStars wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:08 pm
In the "west", it's often more deletion of content in privately owned or public platforms that is in support of Russia. But this is not universal (for example, you posting in here...).
In Russia, it doesn't matter who, how, or where... if you voice in any way, shape, or form support for Ukraine/ending the war, you are fined and/or thrown in jail.

Yes, I can totally see how they relate.... :roll: :lol:
Are these your fantasies? On the forum of the .ru zone people calmly discuss about the "war" and the bald man who start it.
But according to Western propaganda, this cannot be, so it cannot be.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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