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oh that's post 386 and 387 on the same thread from djmixxx, few hours later, not even following a logical argument, this time it's just a link of a article, and a comment saying the article is not true

That's the morning for paid troll ? That's cheating if you double post, your master won't pay you as much

Why don't you answer the question you were asked about why you sometimes call it a war, and sometimes you deny there is a war ?

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The only thing I regret from 2014-2015 that Ukrainian command decided not to attack military forces that was firing from russia "to avoid further escalation".
Many Ukrainians died because of that.
Good thing generals dont forget.

Nazi Azov helicopters bombing anti-LGBT russian military object at belgorod (russia).
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gGeorg wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:20 pm
14 000 dead russian civilians BEFORE this intense fighting started.
This is about the conflict in Donbass since 2014.
I recently heard an interview from a swiss historian (german speaking), that is this number almost right. He said 13000.
However, "russian civilians"... not sure.
What do you guys think?

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Looks like bullshit
3,393 civilians killed (349 in 2016–2021)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

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jodokus31 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:00 am
This is about the conflict in Donbass since 2014.
I recently heard an interview from a swiss historian (german speaking), that is this number almost right. He said 13000.
However, "russian civilians"... not sure.
What do you guys think?
In the UN the representative of the russian federation said that amongst those 13000 persons were mosly the fighters of the break-away separatist, which he called "victorious".

While according to OSCE or UN, those 13000 are mostly Ukrainian people, be them civilian in pro-ukraine area or regular military forces, and civilian pro-russia, some regular russian forces too, so called "little green men" when they removed their military decoration to hide their presence are amongst the dead people that were recognized later to have been sent to provide weapons to the russian-backed separatist.

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enterisys wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:18 am
The only thing I regret from 2014-2015 that Ukrainian command decided not to attack military forces that was firing from russia "to avoid further escalation".
Many Ukrainians died because of that.
Good thing generals dont forget.

Nazi Azov helicopters bombing anti-LGBT russian military object at belgorod (russia).
https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-s ... ce=twitter

Ukraine's foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, said he could not confirm or deny reports of Ukrainian involvement in the strike as he did not have military information. The Ukrainian Defence Ministry and the general staff did not respond to requests for comment.

Again Russian gouging

After all, the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot start attacking peaceful cities. They are war defenders, not aggressors. So after all, sanctions will have to be introduced also against Ukraine.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:41 pm
enterisys wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:18 am
The only thing I regret from 2014-2015 that Ukrainian command decided not to attack military forces that was firing from russia "to avoid further escalation".
Many Ukrainians died because of that.
Good thing generals dont forget.

Nazi Azov helicopters bombing anti-LGBT russian military object at belgorod (russia).
https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-s ... ce=twitter

Ukraine's foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, said he could not confirm or deny reports of Ukrainian involvement in the strike as he did not have military information. The Ukrainian Defence Ministry and the general staff did not respond to requests for comment.

Again Russian gouging

After all, the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot start attacking peaceful cities. They are war defenders, not aggressors. So after all, sanctions will have to be introduced also against Ukraine.
Yes, russians should start begging NATO to close russia air space if russian military cant.

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jodokus31 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:00 am
gGeorg wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:20 pm
14 000 dead russian civilians BEFORE this intense fighting started.
This is about the conflict in Donbass since 2014.
I recently heard an interview from a swiss historian (german speaking), that is this number almost right. He said 13000.
However, "russian civilians"... not sure.
What do you guys think?
Why they need to think, when the Ukrainian "Truth" writes the "truth" about everything.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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enterisys wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:43 pm
Yes, russians should start begging NATO to close russia air space if russian military cant.
The example of Ukraine showed that NATO does not care at all.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:45 pm
enterisys wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:43 pm
Yes, russians should start begging NATO to close russia air space if russian military cant.
The example of Ukraine showed that NATO does not care at all.
THANK YOU.
You finally agree that NATO is not a threat to russia.

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mmmPI wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:59 am
gGeorg wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:00 am
mmmPI wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:01 pm
gGeorg wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:20 pm
Who is reducing cites to ruble is questionable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2laNmkjd4KI
It is today news, I posted several of these, there are hundreds of these all around internet.
This is ridiculous, you are showing a video of survivor from Donetsk, which is part of the Russian-occupied Dombass, there is no link at all with your allegations.
Donetsk is the Capital city of Donetsk people republic. Founded 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk
Originaly, region received high level of autonomy, on paper. In reality, it suffered by continuous attacks by Ukraina army for 8 years resulting thousands dead civilians.
Those attack on civilians continue as we speak.
Recently Russians recognized these two republics, and imedietly accepted their invitation for help.
Russia has legal invitation written on paper from officials of Donetsk republic to come with Russian army on their land.
If want to know something real, study Minsc agreemant.
Otherwise feel free to expose your washed brain. ;)
1) So you finally realize the video is not at all what you described in the first place and instead you proceed to now describe the video after lying on its content.
WTF ?
Video is about all I described in the first place.
It is you who dont understand what is city of Donetsk, who lives there, who is invited, who is shooting, who start killing.
At this moment you received all data, it is up to you to process them.

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gGeorg wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:35 pm
WTF ?
Video is about all I described in the first place.
It is you who dont understand what is city of Donetsk, who lives there, who is invited, who is shooting, who start killing.
At this moment you received all data, it is up to you to process them.
Ah yes the good old 8 years of Donetsk bombing by russians

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enterisys wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:44 pm
gGeorg wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:35 pm
WTF ?
Video is about all I described in the first place.
It is you who dont understand what is city of Donetsk, who lives there, who is invited, who is shooting, who start killing.
At this moment you received all data, it is up to you to process them.
Ah yes the good old 8 years of Donetsk bombing by russians
Are you boasting that the Armed Forces of Ukraine gouged Mariupol much faster and killed more civilians?
It is terrible to hear such words from you at such a time.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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mmmPI wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:15 am
jodokus31 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:00 am
This is about the conflict in Donbass since 2014.
I recently heard an interview from a swiss historian (german speaking), that is this number almost right. He said 13000.
However, "russian civilians"... not sure.
What do you guys think?
In the UN the representative of the russian federation said that amongst those 13000 persons were mosly the fighters of the break-away separatist, which he called "victorious".

While according to OSCE or UN, those 13000 are mostly Ukrainian people, be them civilian in pro-ukraine area or regular military forces, and civilian pro-russia, some regular russian forces too, so called "little green men" when they removed their military decoration to hide their presence are amongst the dead people that were recognized later to have been sent to provide weapons to the russian-backed separatist.
Thanks, so 13000 people from both sides, including civilians and forces.

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Djmixxx wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:48 pm
enterisys wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:44 pm
gGeorg wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:35 pm
WTF ?
Video is about all I described in the first place.
It is you who dont understand what is city of Donetsk, who lives there, who is invited, who is shooting, who start killing.
At this moment you received all data, it is up to you to process them.
Ah yes the good old 8 years of Donetsk bombing by russians
Are you boasting that the Armed Forces of Ukraine gouged Mariupol much faster and killed more civilians?
It is terrible to hear such words from you at such a time.
I am sorry I disappointed you, hope you will be okay.

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jodokus31 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 4:01 pm

Thanks, so 13000 people from both sides, including civilians and forces.
That is considering when someone receive a bomb and die, it's too late to ask him if he was pro something or pro something else. For military personnel, it's easier to report casualties on a side or another, when one side isn't denying its involvment.

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Here is another blatant vilation of geneva convention.
Usage of red cross vehicle for transporting healty combat troops.
https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/9/x/v/I/9xvId.c ... u=0&b=0%22
Captured unintentionaly by Al-jazeera.

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gGeorg wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:07 pm
Here is another blatant vilation of geneva convention.
Usage of red cross vehicle for transporting healty combat troops.
https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/9/x/v/I/9xvId.c ... u=0&b=0%22
Captured unintentionaly by Al-jazeera.
Wow, this surely will help forget everything russia did in Mariupol.
BTW what is video about? Wounded Ukrainian civilians? I'm not so good with Arabic.

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mmmPI wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:15 am
jodokus31 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:00 am
This is about the conflict in Donbass since 2014.
I recently heard an interview from a swiss historian (german speaking), that is this number almost right. He said 13000.
However, "russian civilians"... not sure.
What do you guys think?
In the UN the representative of the russian federation said that amongst those 13000 persons were mosly the fighters of the break-away separatist, which he called "victorious".

While according to OSCE or UN, those 13000 are mostly Ukrainian people, be them civilian in pro-ukraine area or regular military forces, and civilian pro-russia, some regular russian forces too, so called "little green men" when they removed their military decoration to hide their presence are amongst the dead people that were recognized later to have been sent to provide weapons to the russian-backed separatist.
link to source ?

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gGeorg wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:19 pm
mmmPI wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:15 am
jodokus31 wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:00 am
This is about the conflict in Donbass since 2014.
I recently heard an interview from a swiss historian (german speaking), that is this number almost right. He said 13000.
However, "russian civilians"... not sure.
What do you guys think?
In the UN the representative of the russian federation said that amongst those 13000 persons were mosly the fighters of the break-away separatist, which he called "victorious".

While according to OSCE or UN, those 13000 are mostly Ukrainian people, be them civilian in pro-ukraine area or regular military forces, and civilian pro-russia, some regular russian forces too, so called "little green men" when they removed their military decoration to hide their presence are amongst the dead people that were recognized later to have been sent to provide weapons to the russian-backed separatist.
link to source ?
Which part of my opinion require source for you to trust ?

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