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makrom wrote:
Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:37 pm
jodokus31 wrote:
Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:00 pm
You sound like a better species, but we are all humans, no difference. Maybe this attitude is the main problem?
While I'm fully aware that I shamefully share the species with Putin, I definitely consider myself a way better human being. But it's completely absurd to think that's the problem. From my point of view, the main problem isn't even Putin, but countries of the developed world who maintain trade relations with despotic regimes, enabling these to project their oppression.
While I'm terrible sorry for the people of Ukraine what Russia is doing to them, the silver lining is that there is no possible outcome how Russia won't be significantly weakened. There even are signs they want to try building up a self reliant economy or increase dependencies on China.
Consider the position of Putin, he tried to use strengh to obtain political gain. Then obviously encountered a strong Ukrainian resistance. Now he is stuck in a position where he cannot go back to "statu-quo ante-bellum" without discredit. Plus Ukraine would militarize their would not be a second chance. He put himself and the world in a very precarious situation. The rationnal move would be to step down, acknowledge error. That's just 1 human ego/pride. The Russian Federation is plentyful of smart and non-corrupt person that could handle the job of making the russian people happy. The consideration of territorial gain by strengh is anachronic given the backlash it creates imo. Plus the amount of propaganda and brainwashing is a councious premeditated and destructive move for the Ukrainian people. There were 8 years of smear campain in russian media before the war in order to justify it on the interior political scene. Consider the actions that were taken one after the other that lead to this situation. I think from a political leader it's a duty to consider the consequences of your actions and decisions before you make them. It's not a rationnal decision to take such risk/gamble with the life of million people imo.

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enterisys wrote:
Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:25 pm
Luckily this normal EU country did not overthrow any government since its independence or claim it is ready to reclaim its nuclear weapons.
Or you have some proofs?
Still waiting...
Nuclear weapons:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/1 ... o-diplomat

I did not know that there were three revolutions, I thought there were only two (+ an interesting article about the history of Ukrainian independence):
https://indianexpress.com/article/expla ... d-7789764/

I hope these sources are not Russian ?
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enterisys wrote:
Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:24 pm
Another day another lie.
Official position of the authorities is to prohibit spread of fakes and misinformation.
It's called CENSORSHIP. This is normal for Russia and Ukraine (your home country) So it's hard for you to understand what I'm doing here, your government taught you that it's against the law.

https://youtu.be/oifqp1bJp8Y (hope not too russians)

And this is absolutely NOT normal for a free democratic Europe, where everyone should have a choice in the definition of what is fake and misinformation. For this we must have a free press with an independent point of view.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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mmmPI wrote:
Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:55 pm
DJmixxx also posted several times youtube clips that call to murder the Ukrainian people.
What a charm, so much to write about fakes and disinformation and then post this. Accusation is serious, are you ready to confirm it ?

Or you fly into my personal ban. I have not yet received any reliable information from you on more than one issue, except for a gigantic amount of text and repetitions that I am a bot and seem to be guilty of the extinction of dinosaurs (but again there will be no evidence).
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:09 am
Nuclear weapons:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/1 ... o-diplomat
“Either we are part of an alliance like NATO and also make our contribution to strengthen this Europe, or we have only one option; to rearm ourselves,” Germany’s DPA news agency quoted Melnyk as saying. “How else could we guarantee our defence?”
Nuclear where? Another fake?
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Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:09 am
I did not know that there were three revolutions, I thought there were only two (+ an interesting article about the history of Ukrainian independence):
https://indianexpress.com/article/expla ... d-7789764/

I hope these sources are not Russian ?
"Following nationwide protests, the result was annulled, and the Ukrainian Supreme Court ordered a re-vote, which Yushchenko promptly won by a significant margin."
"However, immediately after signing the agreement, Yanukovych fled the country over fears for his own safety."
Overthrow government where? Another fake?

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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:20 am
It's called CENSORSHIP. This is normal for Russia and Ukraine (your home country) So it's hard for you to understand what I'm doing here, your government taught you that it's against the law.

https://youtu.be/oifqp1bJp8Y (hope not too russians)

And this is absolutely NOT normal for a free democratic Europe, where everyone should have a choice in the definition of what is fake and misinformation. For this we must have a free press with an independent point of view.
Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient".
Is it not OK to show porn on cartoon channels and show fakes on news channels?

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enterisys wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:57 am
Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient".
For each person, these are personal levels. A person has ceased to be an individual, now the government equalizes everyone under one scale. Hello communism, where you are not a person, but a screw in a machine. The same is happening in Russia with protests against the war. Too "inconvenient" information. The European Union is now equal to Russia in matters of freedom of speech?
enterisys wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:57 am
Is it not OK to show porn on cartoon channels
it is not prohibited. This is a voluntary choice of the creators of the channel. You can create a channel with porn cartoons.
enterisys wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:57 am
show fakes on news channels?
This is prohibited by law. You have NO choice.
hope you can understand the difference ?

I also have a big question about the independence of those who decide what is fake and what is true.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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I'm baffled at the fact someone dares to argue with such assertive tone while at the same time openly recognizing that he is completly ignorant on the subject to the point that for one the history of Ukraine was unknown before reading an indian newspaper article. Which is interesting because that means even the simple wikipedia page on Ukraine contain information that one didn't know before arguing despite them being present in the thread confirming my earlier saying that there is one person who is yelling repeatdly its point of view without any attempt at reading/informing oneself.

I think it's not a real https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E ... ger_effect. I think it's on purpose that one individual keep trying to maintain the discussion around the topic of free press in the west. It is the starting point of the circular reasonning i explained earlier.
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Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:55 pm
It is because he didn't know which narrative to use when confronted with proof. He often started to say, there is the russian propaganda and the west propaganda , as a way t put it on the same level, then when confronted with brazilian media, Indian media, or Israeli or Aljazeera relating about the war, it's all about changing argument and going onto, they are nazi thing, and when confronted with lack of proof that they are more than 2% at the elections, it's all about saying NATO is responsible, and when saying why not they share responsability, why the escalation then ? , it goes back to saying that the russian in dombass where bombed and the war is then legitimate with some bioweapon bullshit when required, from which you can go back to the idea initally presented, it's impossible to know the truth because so many different version.
I maintain everything i said including the fact that i've watched videos that call to murder Ukrainian people posted by the person who learned about the fall of USSR yesterday in an indian online newspaper after posting around 300 post attempting to spread the narrative of the attacking side in a war that has already displaced 10 millions human being from their home

I think such person should be ignored so its behavior is not fueled

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enterisys wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:55 am
Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:09 am
Nuclear weapons:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/1 ... o-diplomat
Nuclear where? Another fake?
Isn't this blackmail? Try to read the whole article, not just the handy parts.

A Ukrainian diplomat has reportedly warned Kyiv may be forced to acquire nuclear weapons to safeguard the country’s security if NATO does not accede to its membership demand amid spiralling tensions with neighbouring Russia.
enterisys wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:55 am
"Following nationwide protests, the result was annulled, and the Ukrainian Supreme Court ordered a re-vote, which Yushchenko promptly won by a significant margin."
"However, immediately after signing the agreement, Yanukovych fled the country over fears for his own safety."
Overthrow government where? Another fake?
The majority chose the government. A minority staged demonstrations and achieved the annulment of the elections.
Did I understand you correctly ?
So let's write it down, the change of goverment, chosen by the majority is not "Overthrow government"


This is another confirmation, that I do not want someone to decide for people what a fake is.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:15 am
For each person, these are personal levels. A person has ceased to be an individual, now the government equalizes everyone under one scale. Hello communism, where you are not a person, but a screw in a machine. The same is happening in Russia with protests against the war. Too "inconvenient" information. The European Union is now equal to Russia in matters of freedom of speech?
EU bans misinformation on fact, your country bans facts and allows misinformation. What kind of freedom speech are you talking about when there is only military agenda on your tv and no "second opinions" and you call it?
Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:15 am
enterisys wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:57 am
Is it not OK to show porn on cartoon channels and show fakes on news channels?
it is not prohibited. This is a voluntary choice of the creators of the channel. You can create a channel with porn cartoons.
Exactly, its voluntary decision to spread fakes, then label them as news and expect a polite response from any developed country?
Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:15 am
enterisys wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:57 am
show fakes on news channels?
This is prohibited by law. You have NO choice.
hope you can understand the difference ?

I also have a big question about the independence of those who decide what is fake and what is true.
Yes presenting fakes as news is prohibited as law, fakes are not your second opinion - its misinformation.

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mmmPI wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:15 am
I maintain everything i said including the fact that i've watched videos that call to murder Ukrainian people posted by the person who learned about the fall of USSR yesterday in an indian online newspaper after posting around 300 post attempting to spread the narrative of the attacking side in a war that has already displaced 10 millions human being from their home
So what about links? In which will there be more than a match, except for a randomly chosen nickname?
And at the same time, of course, you will provide a link to my messages in this forum, where I " call to murder Ukrainian people"

I will open a secret, 90% (and me too) here on the forum do not care about history.
Do not care only for Russian propaganda, which explains one of the reasons for the attack in this way.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:29 am
enterisys wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:55 am
Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:09 am
Nuclear weapons:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/1 ... o-diplomat
Nuclear where? Another fake?
Isn't this blackmail? Try to read the whole article, not just the handy parts.

A Ukrainian diplomat has reportedly warned Kyiv may be forced to acquire nuclear weapons to safeguard the country’s security if NATO does not accede to its membership demand amid spiralling tensions with neighbouring Russia.
And I asked you present exact words where some government officials claims for nuclear weapons restart. Yet you present article where they quote “Either we are part of an alliance like NATO and also make our contribution to strengthen this Europe, or we have only one option; to rearm ourselves,” Germany’s DPA news agency quoted Melnyk as saying. “How else could we guarantee our defence?” NOTHING ABOUT NUCLEAR.
Opinions of the author of the article that it could lead to nuclear weapons you can leave to yourself, because I specifically asked for "inform everyone that she is ready to regain her nuclear weapons". Yet you present another fake.
Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:09 am
enterisys wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:55 am
"Following nationwide protests, the result was annulled, and the Ukrainian Supreme Court ordered a re-vote, which Yushchenko promptly won by a significant margin."
"However, immediately after signing the agreement, Yanukovych fled the country over fears for his own safety."
Overthrow government where? Another fake?
The majority chose the government. A minority staged demonstrations and achieved the annulment of the elections.
Lie.
Read your article again.
Ukrainian Supreme Court ordered a re-vote due to significant falsification identified and confirmed.
Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:09 am
Did I understand you correctly ?
So let's write it down, the change of goverment, chosen by the majority is not "Overthrow government"
No you didnt. When chosen by majority president leaves the country how you expect the country to work without its president? President overthrown himself if anything.

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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:37 am
mmmPI wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:15 am
I maintain everything i said including the fact that i've watched videos that call to murder Ukrainian people posted by the person who learned about the fall of USSR yesterday in an indian online newspaper after posting around 300 post attempting to spread the narrative of the attacking side in a war that has already displaced 10 millions human being from their home
So what about links? In which will there be more than a match, except for a randomly chosen nickname?
And at the same time, of course, you will provide a link to my messages in this forum, where I " call to murder Ukrainian people"

I will open a secret, 90% (and me too) here on the forum do not care about history.
Do not care only for Russian propaganda, which explains one of the reasons for the attack in this way.
I know you don't care about history, you are the kind of person to try and re-write it right ?
Djmixxx wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:24 pm
Wrong post
I would however be interested to know how you have information on what 90% of the people on the forum think, given your registration date and the fact that you posted all your comments on this particular topic and said you had trouble reading english that doesn't seem likely that you know for sure what other people think on this forum.
Djmixxx wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:16 am
If you don't like what you're reading, answer with evidence or keep silent.
I want evidence that 90% of the person in the forum do not care about history. But i would understand you keep silent.


Djmixxx wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:54 pm
My company works with state offices in Europe.
If you DEFINITELY do not know about the size of corruption, then it is better to be silent. And I will be silent. I still want to live.
I would also like to have evidence of your company that works with state offices in Europe. Or that you refrain saying things without any evidence like you said yourself.
Djmixxx wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:23 pm
theater of the absurd. (briefly about the situation in the world) Not my text.
Remember this ? which is a random copy paste of a telegram feed without any evidence whatsoever, completly out of context, just pushed here for no apparent reason like it's a place to dump trash propaganda link while there is a war taking place where thousands of people are dying and starving, without water and

Djmixxx wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:18 pm
I am saying that both goverment propaganda , one from Russia , one from West. Do not expect from both true story about situation.
yes always in a form or another, there are people saying earth is flat, there are people saying earth is not, do not expect from both true story about the earth
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enterisys wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:39 am
And I asked you present exact words where some government officials claims for nuclear weapons restart. Yet you present article where they quote “Either we are part of an alliance like NATO and also make our contribution to strengthen this Europe, or we have only one option; to rearm ourselves,” Germany’s DPA news agency quoted Melnyk as saying. “How else could we guarantee our defence?” NOTHING ABOUT NUCLEAR.
Opinions of the author of the article that it could lead to nuclear weapons you can leave to yourself, because I specifically asked for "inform everyone that she is ready to regain her nuclear weapons". Yet you present another fake.
https://kyivindependent.com/national/ze ... onference/

Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. I, as President, will do this for the first time. But both Ukraine and I are doing this for the last time. I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994 to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT)


Until Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, it had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile, of which Ukraine had physical but no operational control. (Translation: In Ukraine, nuclear weapons remained at the bases after the collapse of the USSR) Russia controlled the codes needed to operate the nuclear weapons through electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system, although this could not be sufficient guarantee against Ukrainian access. Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.
Belarus, which only had mobile missile launchers, and Kazakhstan quite quickly chose to return the nuclear warheads and missiles to Russia. Ukraine went through a period of internal debate on their approach.(Decided, return or not the Soviet warheads to the owner?)

In short, this is definitely SCAM. But legally literate.

all information from WIKI (and they are different in their content)

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1 ... 1%83%D0%BC

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_ ... Assurances
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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mmmPI wrote:
Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:55 pm
He often started to say, there is the russian propaganda and the west propaganda , as a way t put it on the same level, then when confronted with brazilian media, Indian media, or Israeli or Aljazeera relating about the war, it's all about changing argument and going onto, they are nazi thing, and when confronted with lack of proof that they are more than 2% at the elections, it's all about saying NATO is responsible, and when saying why not they share responsability, why the escalation then ? , it goes back to saying that the russian in dombass where bombed and the war is then legitimate with some bioweapon bullshit when required, from which you can go back to the idea initally presented, it's impossible to know the truth because so many different version.


This is a whole bunch of non-sense because it's always going to another topic when one is debunked. The main tactic is to shift the focus of the discussion around those theme.
DJmixxx also posted several times youtube clips that call to murder the Ukrainian people.

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mmmPI wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:50 am
yes always in a form or another, there are people saying earth is flat, there are people saying earth is not, do not expect from both true story about the earth
Both sides are somewhat equal. Depends on the starting point.

I am not forcing you to believe that this is freedom of choice, you can decide for yourself.


I did not write correctly : "90%" this is my personal opinion..
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:10 am
https://kyivindependent.com/national/ze ... onference/

Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. I, as President, will do this for the first time. But both Ukraine and I are doing this for the last time. I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994 to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT)


Until Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, it had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile, of which Ukraine had physical but no operational control. (Translation: In Ukraine, nuclear weapons remained at the bases after the collapse of the USSR) Russia controlled the codes needed to operate the nuclear weapons through electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system, although this could not be sufficient guarantee against Ukrainian access. Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.
Belarus, which only had mobile missile launchers, and Kazakhstan quite quickly chose to return the nuclear warheads and missiles to Russia. Ukraine went through a period of internal debate on their approach.(Decided, return or not the Soviet warheads to the owner?)

In short, this is definitely SCAM. But legally literate.

all information from WIKI (and they are different in their content)

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1 ... 1%83%D0%BC

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_ ... Assurances
I know better than you what Budapest Memorandum is but how is related to me accusing you of spreading lies about nuclear weapons of Ukraine?
Why are you linking unrelated shit and Zelenskyy interview when it is clear that in any of those links Ukraine's officials never said anything about restoring nuclear weapons?
Zelenskyy only mentions nuclear once in "Ukraine has received security guarantees for abandoning the world’s third nuclear capability". Question mark.
Trying to change subjects again?
Also why did you back away from https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/1 ... o-diplomat Understood that its unrelated to your misinformation?
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Djmixxx wrote:
Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:37 pm
There are Nazis in many countries and only in a few they are supported by the state. Not in all.

I don’t believe that in 8 years it was impossible to peacefully resolve the issue with the Donetsk and Luhansk regions by Ukraina.

Over these 8 years, Ukraine only worsens the situation by starting a forced de-Russification of its Russian-speaking population. The concept of small nationalities was also removed from circulation.

How many steps left for :
"ETHNIC CLEANSING AND GENOCIDE IN THE BALKANS"

Europe helped a lot to BALKANS?

Just sit and wait?

I personally do not support war in any form. And I do not support the Soviet Union version 2, which is now being built in Russia. But I wouldn't want to just sit and wait in the land where I was born and raised.


I am not live in Russia or Ukraine. Have friend which migrate from Lugansk couple years ago to Russia with only 2 bags.

This is your first post on this forum. Since then you said on this forum you learned reading an Indian newspaper about the fall of the USSR and the Independance of Ukraine in 1990.
Djmixxx wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:09 am
I did not know that there were three revolutions, I thought there were only two (+ an interesting article about the history of Ukrainian independence):
https://indianexpress.com/article/expla ... d-7789764/

I hope these sources are not Russian ?
That sound ridiculous to me, such ignorance and no shame into repeating the same things over and over and now a copy paste of the 1994 memorandum. That sure is something you knew because you are a well documented specialist on the subject !

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mmmPI wrote:
Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:55 pm
jodokus31 wrote:
Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:45 pm
What is an example of a question, which got avoided?
I am certain of what i say, i read everything in the thread, many times djmixx waited a few hours and posted pictures unrelated from russia news agency when he couldn't answer the questions.

It is because he didn't know which narrative to use when confronted with proof. He often started to say, there is the russian propaganda and the west propaganda , as a way t put it on the same level, then when confronted with brazilian media, Indian media, or Israeli or Aljazeera relating about the war, it's all about changing argument and going onto, they are nazi thing, and when confronted with lack of proof that they are more than 2% at the elections, it's all about saying NATO is responsible, and when saying why not they share responsability, why the escalation then ? , it goes back to saying that the russian in dombass where bombed and the war is then legitimate with some bioweapon bullshit when required, from which you can go back to the idea initally presented, it's impossible to know the truth because so many different version.
Here is one example of such situation that i have witnessed dozen times

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Ukraina army shoot cluster bombs at Donetsk City center, no military targets around, only russian civilans.

Warning - following link is live report of real situation. Contains injured and dead people on streets.
https://odysee.com/@PatrickLancasternew ... uster-bomb

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