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1rst one is only in russian and as you already said yourself auto translate doesn't work very well

2nd video is analysis from situation from a random guy whose other video are all titled in russian and are not featuring the same person nor related content, it was posted the 28 february, since then the military situation has evolved so much that it makes it irrelevant i'm not quite sure what is your point here.

He says "russia wants to install a pupet regime in ukraine and not hurt civilian" but factual observation proove otherwise, they are not "invading very very quickly" the country as said in the video, and instead are targetting civilian infrastructure with more than 40+ strikes recorded on hospitals accross the whole country while the troops have taken siege position.

Maybe you should post another analysis by random person made later so that it match with reality and seem more convincing one where the situation in mariupol and karkhiv is explained for example

Why are the hostpital getting shelled in the whole country ?

In the video the random person say that the russian plane only target civilian area because some civilians have weapons, yet the bombing of theater or schools are made far away from front lines which doesn't seem consistent with the idea of targeting only armed civilian.

He also says he is in Kiev and that we should trust him because he is in Kiev and therefore he is a trusted source. I would like to know more about the current situation from the same source. Just to see if he still maintain the same opinion some 17 days later. But that may proove difficult given the fact that this video seems randomly inserted in a playlist of unrelated video.

Maybe one doesn't understand the concept of fact checking. Verification of factual information. => for something to be considered verified, it need to be confirmed by at least 3 sources that are independant from each others.

This means if a fact is only mentionned by a russian diplomat and a russian soldier, that count as only 1 source since they are not independant, the soldier and the diplomat receive orders from the same party.

If it's a random person on the internet that post a pictures on instagram and tell you it's true because he's in Khiv, then that's 0. You need proof the person is in Khiv.
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Ukraine Today Evacuated from Mariupol The whole Truth from residents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMXlv-Ae2bU
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Vintors wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:57 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llv-Ae2bU
So you decided to post links repeatdly against the cause that is supported on the title thread ?

Without any explanation whatsoever ?

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 81b49ee433
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You post random trash without even reading the previous comment ?

Those are longer than the time it takes for you to post them, it suspicisouly look like you are spamming random videos and you have been doing this since your fist post on this forum that is on this topic, for which it seem you registered given the date, and all your post are on this topic. Most of them being either link to direct news from official russian sources, or random video on youtube that support that view.

50% of your random link are not in a langage you can understand and answer question about.

That's an interesting case of behavior don't you think ?

Also you have already posted a video of that person calling for murder.

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mmmPI wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:13 am
50% of your random link are not in a langage you can understand and answer question about.
In youtube, you can translate subtitles, and read in your own language. (https://translate.yandex.ru/?lang=ru-en)

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Vintors wrote:
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Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:13 am
50% of your random link are not in a langage you can understand and answer question about.
In youtube, you can translate subtitles, and read in your own language. (https://translate.yandex.ru/?lang=ru-en)
I said earlier in my post that you don't need to hear or read all press to know what it's going to be, you are for the second time posting video of someone who call for murder, say it's legitimate, and even wish more dead people, i will not watch 2 hours of that.

You post such videos every 10 15 minutes and the internet is full of 2 hours videos of random hatred filled person, it is part of what makes you lives in this :

https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1 ... 1%96%D0%B2

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mmmPI wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:20 am
He says "russia wants to install a pupet regime in ukraine and not hurt civilian" but factual observation proove otherwise, they are not "invading very very quickly" the country as said in the video, and instead are targetting civilian infrastructure with more than 40+ strikes recorded on hospitals accross the whole country while the troops have taken siege position.
References to 40+ strikes recorded on hospitals accross.

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Vintors wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:43 am
mmmPI wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:20 am
He says "russia wants to install a pupet regime in ukraine and not hurt civilian" but factual observation proove otherwise, they are not "invading very very quickly" the country as said in the video, and instead are targetting civilian infrastructure with more than 40+ strikes recorded on hospitals accross the whole country while the troops have taken siege position.
References to 40+ strikes recorded on hospitals accross.
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/202 ... index.html

They do not show on russian media ?

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Maybe the WHO is more trusted source
https://www.euro.who.int/en/media-centr ... lth-system

They only counted until march 12 though
Reporting and condemning attacks on health care

WHO’s mandate for the surveillance of attacks on health care is based on the World Health Assembly Resolution 65.20 adopted in 2012, which requested WHO to provide leadership at global level in collecting and reporting information on attacks on health care. WHO created the Attacks on Health Care initiative to systematically collect evidence on attacks, to advocate for the end of such attacks, and to promote best practices for safeguarding health care from attacks. We report through the Surveillance System for Attacks on Health Care.

As of 12 March WHO had verified a total of 31 attacks on health care between 24 February and 11 March 2022, resulting in 12 deaths and 34 injuries, of which 8 of the injured and 2 of those killed were health workers. More attacks are being verified.

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mmmPI wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:54 am
Maybe the WHO is more trusted source
https://www.euro.who.int/en/media-centr ... lth-system

They only counted until march 12 though
Reporting and condemning attacks on health care

As of 12 March WHO had verified a total of 31 attacks on health care between 24 February and 11 March 2022, resulting in 12 deaths and 34 injuries, of which 8 of the injured and 2 of those killed were health workers. More attacks are being verified.
Who attacked?

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Another way for someone to realize the tragic consequences of the war would be to look at the price of wheat : https://www.ifcmarkets.com/en/market-da ... ices/wheat


You can clearly see the price of wheat skyrocketing. The people that will suffer from that are the poorest people on the planet.

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mmmPI wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:06 am
Another way for someone to realize the tragic consequences of the war would be to look at the price of wheat : https://www.ifcmarkets.com/en/market-da ... ices/wheat


You can clearly see the price of wheat skyrocketing. The people that will suffer from that are the poorest people on the planet.
The price began to rise even before the start of the military operation.

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Vintors wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:06 am
Who attacked?

It's written you should read
14 March 2022

Since Russia’s military offensive began in Ukraine on 24 February, WHO has worked around the clock to ensure a constant flow of health supplies so that neighbouring countries have the infrastructure and expertise to meet urgent needs of refugees, and to support Ukraine’s health system to meet the immediate health needs of people within Ukraine’s borders.

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Vintors wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:10 am
The price began to rise even before the start of the military operation.
Yes because the satellite images shown the russian troops and the USA called out publicly the invasion when it was about to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wRdoWpw0w


https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/na ... e/3142732/

When you see this one too , it wa published before the invasion. Some invester could have trusted the USA and think that if they move their embassy away, it means there will be trouble. Trusted information is valuable in this world .
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mmmPI wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:12 am
Vintors wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:10 am
The price began to rise even before the start of the military operation.
Yes because the satellite images shown the russian troops and the USA called out publicly the invasion when it was about to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wRdoWpw0w
Actually, it's because of the sanctions against Belarus.

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Vintors wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:15 am
Actually, it's because of the sanctions against Belarus.
source ?

I'm asking because Ukraine production of wheat is around 24 million ton per year, and belarus 2.3 so i don't see the impact of the sanction as the major cause of the increase in the stock price before the invasion attempt by the russian federation.

https://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/ ... production
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat#Historical_factors

It would make sense that a war where Russia N3 producer of wheat attacks Ukraine N5 producer of wheat destabilize the wheat prices though.

This plus the attack on hospitals

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mmmPI wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:19 am
Vintors wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:15 am
Actually, it's because of the sanctions against Belarus.
source ?
https://www.forbes.ru/biznes/448623-kak ... jnyj-rynok

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